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First off, Obama is not an eloquent orator. I felt Mitt Romney made far better speeches and points than Obama ever has. Obama speaks in generalities and never really says how to fix things beyond making the rich pay their "fair share." What has he ever said or done that has raised up the living standards of anyone but his wealthy donors?
Romney may have given good speeches, but the content of those speeches didn't inspire people or energize people emotionally like Obama's speeches did. Obama knows exactly what to say, how to say it, and what issues to focus on in order to energize his supporters. This takes us back to the original topic of this thread. Social issues energize people and play to people's emotions. Obama was talking social issues during the 2012 campaign and Romney wasn't. That went a long way with moderate voters who may not be impressed with Obama's economic policies but support him on social issues. It did a lot to turn out the young "gay marriage" voters and ultimately won Obama the election.
Romney may have given good speeches, but the content of those speeches didn't inspire people or energize people emotionally like Obama's speeches did. Obama knows exactly what to say, how to say it, and what issues to focus on in order to energize his supporters. This takes us back to the original topic of this thread. Social issues energize people and play to people's emotions. Obama was talking social issues during the 2012 campaign and Romney wasn't. That went a long way with moderate voters who may not be impressed with Obama's economic policies but support him on social issues. It did a lot to turn out the young "gay marriage" voters and ultimately won Obama the election.
I was distinctly unimpressed with Romney's discussions on foreign policy. That totally turned me off.
they are not income taxes in title but they are paid based on income. He was trying to make the argument that half the country are free loaders because they don't pay income taxes. That is false. People that pay payroll taxes are not free loaders.
8% of the population doesn't pay income or payroll taxes. And a large percentage of those people are full time workers who make less than 20%.
the real free loader percentage is around 3-5%. Not the 47% Romney would have us believe.
I consider myself socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I tend to vote for Democrats because I hate Republicans stance on social issues.
Will there be a day when Republicans will focus solely on fiscal and economic policy and simply say, social issues can be decided at the state level?
I think many Obama supporters would switch sides if Republicans could ease up a bit.
They tend to contradict themselves alot. Here is an example, they want less intrusion into state's rights but are against the states right to legalize cannabis. Many of them are against abortions but complain about sex education in schools and are against the so-called "handouts".
levy taxes is one of the powers enumerated federal powers in the constitution.
Yep. It does come with rules, though. And the government sometimes likes to remember only the power itself and forget the rules about how the power is supposed to be used.
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The constitution doesn't detail what can and can't be taxed and at what rate. Regulating commerce is another federal power.
It doesn't detail what can and can't be taxed at what specific rate, but it details what the taxes can be used for. That indicates what the total tax revenue should be (hence my saying tax only for the revenue you need) and the purpose you're allowed to collect it for (which isn't for wealth redistribution or fairness, to put a point on it).
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Tax for only the revenue you need? How do you define need?
Few americans realize that up until 1937 the Congress of the United States conducted its business within the boundaries of seventeen enumerated powers granted under Article I Section 8 of the United States Constitution. these powers defined clearly the areas of national purposes over which Congress could enact legislation including the allocation of funds and levying of taxes. Anything not set down in the enumerated powers was considered outside the purview of the national government and hence, a matter for the states.
Note "including the allocation of funds and levying of taxes"
The following is for anyone thinking about voting republican.
The republicans in this thread are Fox news and Rush radio listeners.
Fox news and Rush radio tell these people 100's of lies. I could list over 1,000 republican lies, if you ask me I will list them.
Fox news and Rush radio tell them lies like these,
"Tax cuts for the rich increase government revenues"
100% of respected economists say they do not increase revenues.
"Global warming is not happening"
97% of climate scientists say it is, republicans say this lie as a favor for ExxonMobile.
"Social Security is in financial trouble"
SS has a $2.7 trillion dollar surplus. They say this lie to privatize SS, then the Wall Street CEO's can charge $750 billion dollars in fees, and US CEO's will have a field day with everyone's retirement money.
They lie and say "the flat tax helps all Americans"
Their flat tax raises taxes on the poor and middle class, and significantly lowers taxes on the rich.
They lie and say "democrats are the big spenders"
R. Reagan and GW Bush added more money to our debt than anyone, with supply side tax cuts for the rich. Romney wanted to add $6.6 trillion dollars to our national debt with supply side tax cuts.
The above is only a small example of republican lies.
Who would want to fall into this world of economic and scientific lies?
These Fox news and Rush radio republicans, also believe in many insane communist conspiracy theories. They (literally) believe that America's democrats are involved in a plot to turn America into communists. They also believe Americas college professors are involved in this plot.
They believe the main stream media is biased, (and involved in a communist plot), and that the media is against republican politicians (but its a republican lie.)
They believe B. Obama was born in Kenya, they believe Obama is a Muslim, and Obama hates white people (they are all lies too)
The following Australian documentary, explains how republicans lie for the large corporations that finance Fox news and Rush radio. If you watch this documentary you will learn republicans are manipulated by corporate CEO's as if they were retarded sheep.
I can provide a non-partisan and credible source for all of my above statements.
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