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Old 04-07-2013, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The housing market starts to rebound and here comes the *******s with blank checks to put us back into the hole.
So, your position is pro-regulation?
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Old 04-07-2013, 06:35 AM
 
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So, your position is pro-regulation?
You mean having a job and good credit as well as at least 20% down? Yes. That is what I had to do in 1986.
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Old 04-07-2013, 06:38 AM
 
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You mean having a job and good credit as well as at least 20% down? Yes. That is what I had to do in 1986.
No, I mean the topic in the OP regarding the assurance about waving the penalty in case of failing borrowers if the borrower qualified based on the current standards. Currently the standard is very strict, probably too strict. Is there a point in threatning the bank with a penalty if the borrower had good credit? I do not believe in such penalties, and I believe such penalty is in fact what you called "*******" policy, and I find it surprising to see so many people who think they are conservatives, defend such "*******" policies to tooth and nail.

PS I had to put down 30% when I bought one in 2011, and my credit is very good.

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Old 04-07-2013, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I think private companies with private money not underwritten by the taxpayer should be able to lend to anyone they want at any rate they want.
It is weird what partisanship does to people. They have to oppose everything coming from the other party, and they do not even realize they end up arguing against their own principles. In this case the people who claim to be conservatives, and who claim Obama is a socialist, actually place themselves to the left side of Obama.
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Old 04-07-2013, 08:49 AM
 
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FHA Requirements: Debt Guidelines

In order to prevent homebuyers from getting into a home they cannot afford, FHA requirements and guidelines have been set in place requiring borrowers and/or their spouse to qualify according to set debt to income ratios. These ratios are used to calculate whether or not the potential borrower is in a financial position that would allow them to meet the demands that are often included in owning a home. The two ratios are as follows:
1) MORTGAGE PAYMENT EXPENSE TO EFFECTIVE INCOME

Add up the total mortgage payment (principal and interest, escrow deposits for taxes, hazard insurance, mortgage insurance premium, homeowners' dues, etc.). Then, take that amount and divide it by the gross monthly income. The maximum ratio to qualify is 31%. See the following example:
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Old 04-07-2013, 09:44 AM
 
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No, I mean the topic in the OP regarding the assurance about waving the penalty in case of failing borrowers if the borrower qualified based on the current standards. Currently the standard is very strict, probably too strict. Is there a point in threatning the bank with a penalty if the borrower had good credit? I do not believe in such penalties, and I believe such penalty is in fact what you called "*******" policy, and I find it surprising to see so many people who think they are conservatives, defend such "*******" policies to tooth and nail.

PS I had to put down 30% when I bought one in 2011, and my credit is very good.

You've mentioned this several times
Just to be sure we're talking about the same thing.....was this for a buyer occupied residence and was it an FHA loan?
As well as, this is no longer 2 years ago and you will admit things can change a lot in 2 years.
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Old 04-07-2013, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Florida
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You've mentioned this several times
Just to be sure we're talking about the same thing.....was this for a buyer occupied residence and was it an FHA loan?
As well as, this is no longer 2 years ago and you will admit things can change a lot in 2 years.
It has not changed a lot in the past two years. We went through A LOT of banks, and the experience was quite frustrating, and in the end the best offer we got was with 30% down. It is what it is, the banks have been afraid to give out loans, because the Finance Regulation Reform went too far.
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Old 04-07-2013, 09:56 AM
 
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When I first read of this "plan" in the Washington Post, I couldn't believe I was seeing it. I really resent that we could be setting ourselves up for a new bubble/bust once again.
I am STILL underwater here in San Antonio only b/c the short-sales and foreclosures pop up on appraisal. I've never missed a payment in my life; I bought way under what I could have and yet I watch anyone breathing get a $250,000 house. Some of our neighbors are not even legal and they didn't pay the mortgages for yrs and squatted in the homes. We also have alot of shadow homes sitting. I want nothing to do with housing once this is over, for sure. You get nothing for being responsible in this country.
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Old 04-07-2013, 09:58 AM
 
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You've mentioned this several times
Just to be sure we're talking about the same thing.....was this for a buyer occupied residence and was it an FHA loan?
As well as, this is no longer 2 years ago and you will admit things can change a lot in 2 years.

Perhaps you just missed this part?
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Old 04-07-2013, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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I think private companies with private money not underwritten by the taxpayer should be able to lend to anyone they want at any rate they want.
I'm OK with the loans as long as they are transparent, so that a Credit Agency would be able to correctly determine the risk when rating the quality of financial instruments like CDOs made up of such loans.

If this had occurred during the last bubble then it would have been clear that the CDOs shouldn't have been rated triple A and therefore eligible for purchase by firms which were only seeking the highest quality investments. Firms buying insurance (swaps) from companies like AIG would have known that the contracts weren't worth the paper they were written on.
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