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Old 04-29-2013, 09:18 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Fortunately the Second Ammendment doesn't give me the right to keep and use improvised explosive devices


Actually it does. Home made grenades and malinoff cocktails were used during the revolution, the war of 1812 and the civil war.


Only the ignorant think bearing arms, means only a gun.

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Old 04-29-2013, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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I blame the gun merchant. Put a gun in a drawer. Leave it there. No one dies. Sell a gun to a mental deviate and you know it WON'T go reside safely in a drawer.
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Old 04-29-2013, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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I blame the gun merchant. Put a gun in a drawer. Leave it there. No one dies. Sell a gun to a mental deviate and you know it WON'T go reside safely in a drawer.
A mental deviate by whos definition? What safeguards do you put in place to prevent a "mental deviate" from purchasing a gun and in recent examples, what safeguards do you put into place to prevent stealing a firearm? Who is going to decide and who is going to enforce? Where is the funding to do either going to come from? More Obama bucks??
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Old 04-30-2013, 06:41 PM
 
Location: west mich
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A mental deviate by whos definition? What safeguards do you put in place to prevent a "mental deviate" from purchasing a gun and in recent examples, what safeguards do you put into place to prevent stealing a firearm? Who is going to decide and who is going to enforce? Where is the funding to do either going to come from? More Obama bucks??
You make the obtuse RW case for a lawless society - because, on the gun issue example, laws and regulations will not stop gun crimes.
As was noted previously, traffic laws have not stopped speeding, drunk and reckless driving. All other laws have not stopped theft, burglary, assault, rape, fraud, corruption, misconduct of all kinds, any crime you can name - so what good are these laws, right?
Yeah, who needs them. Let's give everybody the "freedom" to do as they please and let each citizen take care of himself - with weapons. Yep, the maximum RWNJ "freedom".
Oh, and why does the RW defund and disempower the ATF, then blame "government" (Obama) for not doing enough enforcement?

NRA -effective in keeping a permanent director from ATF since GW Bush: - Democratic Underground
Beleaguered ATF Still Has No Director, Suffers Layoffs | Crooks and Liars

How The NRA Secretly Protects People Who Commit Crimes With Guns | ThinkProgress
"... NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre blasted the gun violence prevention plan introduced by President Obama and Democrats in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre, but assured the committee the NRA supports “enforcing the federal gun laws on the books 100 percent of the time.†The gun lobby has long justified their opposition to new regulation by citing the myth that there are already 20,000 gun laws on the books. Republican lawmakers have dutifully taken up the line, protesting that we must enforce existing gun laws before even considering new ones. However, as a new Center for American Progress report details, the NRA has quietly made enforcing existing gun laws nearly impossible by sneaking gun deregulation into unrelated legislation.
Over the past few decades, the NRA has tucked so-called “riders†into annual appropriations bills funding various government functions in order to avoid scrutiny in the regular legislative process."
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Old 04-30-2013, 07:44 PM
 
Location: The 12th State
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I wonder if this NRA new slogan, gotta admire the logic.

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Old 04-30-2013, 07:46 PM
 
Location: southern california
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gun bans dont work.
u r so right seeing people as the source of danger and not the guns is correct vision. probably the worst part of gun bans is disarming only part of the community, leaving them vulnerable to attack by those still armed. changing the power balance of adversaries wreaks havoc on a system.

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Old 04-30-2013, 09:44 PM
 
Location: west mich
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gun bans dont work.
u r so right seeing people as the source of danger and not the guns is correct vision. probably the worst part of gun bans is disarming only part of the community, leaving them vulnerable to attack by those still armed. changing the power balance of adversaries wreaks havoc on a system.
Gun control is not disarming citizens.
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:21 PM
 
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Gun control is not disarming citizens.
That depends on what country you are in...
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Old 05-01-2013, 03:17 PM
 
Location: west mich
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I wonder if this NRA new slogan, gotta admire the logic.
Or how about "the only thing that stops a bad guy with a pressure cooker is a good guy with a crock pot".
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Old 05-01-2013, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Hey, I'm in favor of control on explosives, too. In fact, why the hell do we even have to talk about it? Who is selling the stuff they put in these bombs. Lock THOSE people up.
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