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Old 04-29-2013, 08:12 AM
 
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His name is reviled amongst thinking people. Sadly, that excludes half of the country.
You mean brainwashed people.
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Old 04-29-2013, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Considering Clinton had the EXACT same info and GAVE it to BUSH, why didn't HE do something?
From Richard Clarke's book "Against All Enemies:"

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Pages 230-31: Delayed meetings on counterterrorism. When, in January 2001, Clarke "urgently" requested a meeting with the Cabinet to plan the prevention of future al-Qaida attacks, he got his meeting not in January but in April. And not with the Cabinet but with a group of deputy secretaries. At the meeting, Paul Wolfowitz objected to his agenda—"I just don't understand why we are beginning by talking about this one man bin Laden"—and argued that Iraqi terrorism was an equally serious threat. The Cabinet-level meeting on al-Qaida did not take place until Sept. 4, 2001.
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Old 04-29-2013, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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OMG!


6000 American lives were lost in senseless wars and over 100,000 Iraqi citizens lost their lives because of our invasion there.
and over 500,000 iraqi children died during the clinton regime...
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Old 04-29-2013, 08:18 AM
 
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There is a great doumentary on - The World According to Dick Cheney, gives a lot of details from 2003 - 2008. This NY Times article by Joe Wilson jumped out, I don't see him as partisan so his side of WMD is more very telling.




What I Didn't Find in Africa - New York Times
I give the same credibility to the NY Times as lefties do the Washington Times.

Joe Wilson was an opportunist who changed stripes because he thought he could land a job in the Kerry admin.

It is a know fact that an Iraqi delegation went to Niger. Niger exports things, fertilizer and yellow cake.

Does anyone really believe the Iraqi's were interested in fertilizer?
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Old 04-29-2013, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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From Richard Clarke's book "Against All Enemies:"
really now

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In August 2002 Richard A. Clarke, former chief counter-terrorism adviser, discusses US strategy in dealing with islamic terrorists:

RICHARD CLARKE: Actually, I've got about seven points, let me just go through them quickly. Um, the first point, I think the overall point is, there was no plan on Al Qaeda that was passed from the Clinton administration to the Bush administration.

Second point is that the Clinton administration had a strategy in place, effectively dating from 1998. And there were a number of issues on the table since 1998. And they remained on the table when that administration went out of office -- issues like aiding the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, changing our Pakistan policy -- uh, changing our policy toward Uzbekistan. And in January 2001, the incoming Bush administration was briefed on the existing strategy. They were also briefed on these series of issues that had not been decided on in a couple of years.

And the third point is the Bush administration decided then, you know, in late January, to do two things. One, vigorously pursue the existing policy, including all of the lethal covert action findings, which we've now made public to some extent.

And the point is, while this big review was going on, there were still in effect, the lethal findings were still in effect. The second thing the administration decided to do is to initiate a process to look at those issues which had been on the table for a couple of years and get them decided.

So, point five, that process which was initiated in the first week in February, uh, decided in principle, uh in the spring to add to the existing Clinton strategy and to increase CIA resources, for example, for covert action, five-fold, to go after Al Qaeda.

The sixth point, the newly-appointed deputies -- and you had to remember, the deputies didn't get into office until late March, early April. The deputies then tasked the development of the implementation details, uh, of these new decisions that they were endorsing, and sending out to the principals.

Over the course of the summer -- last point -- they developed implementation details, the principals met at the end of the summer, approved them in their first meeting, changed the strategy by authorizing the increase in funding five-fold, changing the policy on Pakistan, changing the policy on Uzbekistan, changing the policy on the Northern Alliance assistance.

And then changed the strategy from one of rollback with Al Qaeda over the course of five years, which it had been, to a new strategy that called for the rapid elimination of Al Qaeda. That is in fact the timeline.

QUESTION: What is your response to the suggestion in the [Aug 12, 2002] Time [magazine] article that the Bush administration was unwilling to take on board the suggestions made in the Clinton administration because of animus against the -- general animus against the foreign policy?

CLARKE: I think if there was a general animus that clouded their vision, they might not have kept the same guy dealing with terrorism issue. This is the one issue where the National Security Council leadership decided continuity was important and kept the same guy around, the same team in place. That doesn't sound like animus against, uh, the previous team to me.

JIM ANGLE: You're saying that the Bush administration did not stop anything that the Clinton administration was doing while it was making these decisions, and by the end of the summer had increased money for covert action five-fold. Is that correct?

CLARKE: All of that's correct.


ANGLE: So, just to finish up if we could then, so what you're saying is that there was no -- one, there was no plan; two, there was no delay; and that actually the first changes since October of '98 were made in the spring months just after the administration came into office?

CLARKE: You got it. That's right.

Richard A. Clarke
Former chief counter-terrorism adviser
August, 2002
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Old 04-29-2013, 08:44 AM
 
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If Bush cared about this nation, he would have spent little more time looking for OBL, the mastermind of 9/11, instead of treating him as an afterthought. Instead we had to wait nearly a decade for a competent president to do the job.
Really? The Navy Seals found OBL, it wasn't Obama who did it. Ever see this (below) from Obama? Hell no.

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Old 04-29-2013, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Bush was/is a classic idiot/political criminal supported by a mega rich family with close ties to other mega rich families.

Rich is one thing but no one has a right to rewrite history to cover up for their crimes and failings.


How to debunk George W. Bush’s attempts at revisionism - Salon.com

In a way I find it comforting to know that there are still die-hards who refuse to let go of their BDS. There's something that I admire about die-hards, even when they are fools verging on being mentally ill.

It's a neat trick how the salon writer seems to blame W Bush for the bombing of the USS Cole, which happened in Oct 2000.
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Old 04-29-2013, 09:10 AM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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and over 500,000 iraqi children died during the clinton regime...
Source?
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Old 04-29-2013, 09:12 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Michelle O wants to re-write our history. Said so in a speech in PR.

Have a problem with that?

She even uses the term 'our history' rather than 'revisionism'....makes it real clear.
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Old 04-29-2013, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Really? The Navy Seals found OBL, it wasn't Obama who did it. Ever see this (below) from Obama? Hell no.

Also there were people who warned that the death/capture of Osama would not be much of a watershed moment in the big picture. It seems pretty clear now that they were exactly right. In 3 days will be the 2nd anniversary of his death, and Islamic fundamentalism & terrorism marches on.
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