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Old 06-09-2013, 05:35 PM
 
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Spouting the lord's prayer instead of giving a commencement speech is inappropriate. It was a public school graduation, not a church meeting.
Luckily you are not an arbitrator of when speech is appropriate and when it's not.
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Old 06-09-2013, 05:37 PM
 
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Here is a link to an interview with Roy Costner IV, Valedictorian of Liberty High School. Interview: Valedictorian Roy Costner IV on Ripping Up His Approved Speech, Reciting Lord's Prayer

Roy is going to Clemson University to study Computer Science. Hopefully, some reporter will find him in 4 years and re-interview him to see if he still prays for days before making important decisions.
I would say that the views of most people change from High School. If his does does that somehow mean he shouldn't be able to give his thoughts as valedictorian now?

Should we appoint valedictorians and then invite them back 20 years later to give their speeches?
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:46 PM
 
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I will restate my position when you move from opposite land. When one argues that people may express themselves and you read it's not permissable then we are in different dimensions.
If that's the case, then why have so many atheists and other God-haters come out against people speaking their religious viewpoints in a government institution? That doesn't gel with our historical founding who did use expressions of faith while working in a government setting. Thus, you seem to be confirming with your comments that the atheists are out of line. Thanks for admitting the truth.
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:51 PM
 
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If that's the case, then why have so many atheists and other God-haters come out against people speaking their religious viewpoints in a government institution? That doesn't gel with our historical founding who did use expressions of faith while working in a government setting. Thus, you seem to be confirming with your comments that the atheists are out of line. Thanks for admitting the truth.

If you allow one god into a government institution, you must allow all the gods in!
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:52 PM
 
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If that's the case, then why have so many atheists and other God-haters come out against people speaking their religious viewpoints in a government institution?
That's what they do but it has nothing to do with me.
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:54 PM
 
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If you allow one god into a government institution, you must allow all the gods in!
Indeed.
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:56 PM
 
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If you allow one god into a government institution, you must allow all the gods in!
Any person has freedom of religion. That said, America was founded and established by Christian men. Our laws, as validated by founders' writings, clearly state that our government works hand in hand with God (obviously, Yahweh). Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, or various other religions, play no role in this nation's founding. They are not on an equal setting, in terms of using faith within an institutional setting. Our laws were inspired by the Ten Commandments, for crying out loud.
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Old 06-09-2013, 07:01 PM
 
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Any person has freedom of religion. That said, America was founded and established by Christian men. Our laws, as validated by founders' writings, clearly state that our government works hand in hand with God (obviously, Yahweh). Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, or various other religions, play no role in this nation's founding. They are not on an equal setting, in terms of using faith within an institutional setting. Our laws were inspired by the Ten Commandments, for crying out loud.
The USA is not a theocracy. Our laws are not based on the ten commandments. For example, coveting is the foundation of capitalism. Every non-christian country has laws that forbid stealing and killing.
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Old 06-09-2013, 07:03 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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If you allow one god into a government institution, you must allow all the gods in!


They are. It is not specific to Christ. They use god, not Christ.
One nation under GOD.. Not one nation under Christ.



But wait, that doesn't fit the agenda......... DOH!
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Old 06-09-2013, 07:05 PM
 
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They are. It is not specific to Christ. They use god, not Christ.
One nation under GOD.. Not one nation under Christ.



But wait, that doesn't fit the agenda......... DOH!
How about this?:
"One nation under many gods."
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