Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 06-07-2013, 09:24 AM
 
3,846 posts, read 2,385,313 times
Reputation: 390

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by juppiter View Post
The real solution is being ignored here. We need to mandate organ donation in this country and then these lists won't be so long. Even when the person who dies was unhealthy, doctors can almost always find something that can be used.
Then death will be as sought after as life.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 06-07-2013, 09:30 AM
 
3,846 posts, read 2,385,313 times
Reputation: 390
Quote:
Originally Posted by legalsea View Post
That is my understanding: that the girl was deemed 'too young' to be on the list (I think the minimum age is 12) and the judge only ruled that the girl be put on the list.

Hence, she is now on a list with thousands of other people. Even with that 'achievement', her prospects are poor (I shall not repeat the arguments about chest-wall cavity capacity, etc).
Judges I've met place themselves above the law.

Of course they would place themselves above any rules formulated by mere mortals.

Last edited by Nonarchist; 06-07-2013 at 10:49 AM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-07-2013, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
25,826 posts, read 20,706,970 times
Reputation: 14818
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaggy001 View Post
100% right.

But people like the OP don't care about that. They would rather have politicians and judges making life and death decisions rather than properly qualified medical professionals.

What makes this child so much more special than the other people waiting for lungs?
I suppose this one is special due to the access that her family apparently has to their elected officials who have clearly chosen to politicize this horribly sad situation for their own purposes.


And, as expected, it has opened the floodgates, exactly the sort of thing that the original process was designed to avoid:

2nd child in Philly sues over lung transplant list

Given that this child has already lost a brother to the same condition, who is to say that HE isn't more worthy than the girl in the first case?
Down that slippery slope we go...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-07-2013, 10:27 AM
 
32,516 posts, read 37,183,567 times
Reputation: 32581
Quote:
Originally Posted by janelle144 View Post

An adult lung can be put into a child. The whole lung doesn't need to be used.
So you're fully in favor of the government getting involved.

Seems kinda weird considering you've made your unhappiness with Obamacare clear.

Why is it OK for the government to get involved here but not OK if the government is involved via Obamacare? This could save a life. Obamacare will save lives. HUGE double standard you've got going there, don't you think?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-07-2013, 10:43 AM
 
Location: North Texas
24,561 posts, read 40,291,156 times
Reputation: 28564
Quote:
Originally Posted by Think4Yourself View Post
This is actually pretty stupid and will result in everyone who wants/needs a transplant attempting to sue their way to the top of the list. This is the whole reason they made up fair rules about who got transplants to begin with based upon who has the highest likelihood of the operation being a success.

Mark my words this will result in tons of lawsuits with everyone all demanding they get to be the first in line.
Sadly you are right. That is exactly what's going to happen.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-07-2013, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
15,080 posts, read 14,327,358 times
Reputation: 9789
Quote:

Hence, she is now on a list with thousands of other people. Even with that
'achievement', her prospects are poor (I shall not repeat the arguments about
chest-wall cavity capacity, etc).
Evidently, she was put at the TOP of the list. Because of the queue-jumping, someone else could lose their life.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-07-2013, 10:47 AM
 
3,846 posts, read 2,385,313 times
Reputation: 390
Quote:
Originally Posted by weltschmerz View Post
Evidently, she was put at the TOP of the list. Because of the queue-jumping, someone else could lose their life.
Yeah, and you can't sue a fricken judge.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-07-2013, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
86,052 posts, read 84,495,743 times
Reputation: 27720
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDGeek View Post
Sadly you are right. That is exactly what's going to happen.
That is NOW what is happening.

The judge let a NYC boy get on the list and there's another lawsuit for another child to get on the list.
Precedent has been set.


So if this is the case then get rid of the 2 lists and just have a single list and they all get prioritized regardless of age.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-07-2013, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
24,260 posts, read 14,211,524 times
Reputation: 9895
Quote:
Originally Posted by weltschmerz View Post
Evidently, she was put at the TOP of the list. Because of the queue-jumping, someone else could lose their life.
Not only that, but she is on the top of the pediatric list AND on the adult list.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-07-2013, 10:49 AM
 
10,545 posts, read 13,587,085 times
Reputation: 2823
Quote:
Originally Posted by Think4Yourself View Post
This is actually pretty stupid and will result in everyone who wants/needs a transplant attempting to sue their way to the top of the list. This is the whole reason they made up fair rules about who got transplants to begin with based upon who has the highest likelihood of the operation being a success.

Mark my words this will result in tons of lawsuits with everyone all demanding they get to be the first in line.
That is true. The problem is that the bureaucracy moves slower than medical technology so you end up with outdated rules or a one-size-fits-all scenario which doesn't apply to medicine. Doctors can examine an individual case and consider age, condition, size etc. and determine who has a better chance of being successful with the current technology more accurately than a rule implemented in the past based on trends.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:30 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top