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Old 06-24-2013, 03:10 PM
 
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say yes. There have been cases of parents "coaching" kids to accuse other parents of sexual abuse, students wrongly accusing teachers of it, in fact kids accusing anybody of it, and even parents forcing kids to accuse other family members, even siblings of it. How often this happens as opposed to it truly happening, I don't know, but the numbers of child molestation are pretty high and there are a lot of predators out there.
Many of you are probably too young to remember what happened in the 1980s, when there were several of these Salem Witch Trial-type cases. The McMartin preschool case comes to mind. It can almost bring tears to your eyes. The allegations grew more and more outlandish as children were coached and things were put into their heads. These were also the days of hysteria over "Satanists" subverting the culture, and the two were blended together with some of these accusations. It even reached the point where some asserted that, "Children don't lie." Stop and think about that for a second.

Can someone be convicted with no evidence? No, not really. Can someone be convicted with flimsy or falsified evidence? Absolutely.
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Old 06-24-2013, 03:22 PM
 
Location: NJ
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is there any way to obtain court docs so we can go through them and see what the evidence was, etc? or its only for lawyers
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Old 06-24-2013, 03:29 PM
 
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here the article about him Arrest Made in Sex Abuse Investigation at Day Care Facility - Salem-News.Com
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Old 06-24-2013, 03:34 PM
 
Location: NJ
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and i just found this, his appeal apparently, maybe it will shed some light http://www.publications.ojd.state.or...cs/A141967.pdf

it says:
"The physical evaluation, however, did not yield findings that were diagnostic of sexual abuse"
Although defendant did argue that some other person might have
16 committed the abuse--K's mother's ex-boyfriend, whom she had evicted for looking at
17 child pornography
, or Sergei, the son of the daycare owner--he did not concede that the
18 abuse actually occurred.

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Old 06-24-2013, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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He was sentenced to 30+ yrs for multiple counts.
30 years is a substantial sentence ( and the statutory maximum, I believe) to be based solely on circumstantial evidence. The article indicated he was a registered sex offender so there is some history, here. He was charged with 16 counts of sex abuse, rape and sodomy, all in the first degree.

Registered sex offenders cannot live in a home where young children are present. Registered sex offenders have no business making contact with minors let alone walking a child home.

Is it possible your doubts could be based on hearsay and he is your primary source of information?

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index...are_abuse.html

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Old 06-24-2013, 03:46 PM
 
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30 years is a substantial sentence ( and the statutory maximum, I believe) to be based solely on circumstantial evidence for multiple counts. The article indicated he was a registered sex offender so there is some history, here.

Registered sex offenders cannot live in a home where young children are present. Registered sex offenders have no business making contact with minors let alone walking a child home.

Is it possible your doubts could be based on hearsay and he is your primary source of information?
reread it, the sex offender was not him, but another guy who lived there who was the daycare owner's son
i dont think he has anything to do with it tho cuz his record had to with underage sex and not child sex, in other words he had a gf who was a few yrs younger than him, maybe 17 while he was 20 or something, either way this is ANOTHER PERSON
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Old 06-24-2013, 03:55 PM
 
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They don't just throw someone in prison based on what somewhat said that someone did.
It happens all the time. This false allegation case from Virginia was only resolved a few months ago:

Innocence case stemmed from perjury, not error

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Jonathan C. Montgomery went to prison solely on the word of a teenager who claimed the former Hampton resident sexually assaulted her when she was 10 years old...

Nevertheless, said the judge, "what did the alleged victim at this point, in this case Elizabeth Coast, have to gain by coming in here six years later and saying to the court that this man did the acts that he's been charged with? I see no motive whatsoever."
Turns out the judge was wrong. The testimony was false, and he sent an innocent teen to prison as a convicted child molester for four years. All on the basis of a single "witness's" perjury.

So yes, that does happen. It happens more than we'd like to imagine. And in most cases, the perjurers probably get away with it.
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Old 06-24-2013, 03:55 PM
 
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30 years is a substantial sentence ( and the statutory maximum, I believe) to be based solely on circumstantial evidence. The article indicated he was a registered sex offender so there is some history, here. He was charged with 16 counts of sex abuse, rape and sodomy, all in the first degree.

Registered sex offenders cannot live in a home where young children are present. Registered sex offenders have no business making contact with minors let alone walking a child home.

Is it possible your doubts could be based on hearsay and he is your primary source of information?

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index...are_abuse.html
As far as I can tell, he was not a repeat offender. . but another guy at the house was a sex offender and was arrested (day care owner's son).


Look, your friend has lawyers. It is possible he is innocent. It is possible he is guilty (and lying to you). You missed your chance to watch the trial. . .

I would just mark him off the friends list, and move on.

Who needs this much drama.
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Old 06-24-2013, 03:56 PM
 
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It happens all the time.
NO IT DOESN"T

Source me evidence that wrong convictions for sexual abuse happen ALL the time, and spare me your cherry picked findings

It happens

but not often, at certainly not ALL THE TIME.
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Old 06-24-2013, 03:58 PM
 
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Source me evidence that wrong convictions for sexual abuse happen ALL the time
The number of overturned sexual misconduct/abuse cases in the US since the 1980's in the federal and state court systems are several thousand. I would consider that reasonably frequent.
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