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Well Chuck it's not me that makes the argument that voting ID laws are discriminatory, it's the left. They claim it discriminates against minorities, elderly and low income. As far as the $500 fee in DC it's certainly discriminatory against low income most of which are gong to blacks.
You've said previously that as long as the ID was free it was not discriminatory, does not the same argument apply to the $500 fee for a gun?
It's the supreme court that indicates voter ID laws are discriminatory, they do actually discriminate against the groups you mentioned. It's pretty obvious why the right is brining this up, they even went on record that a voter ID law would deliver PA in the last presidential election. They are addressing a fraud problem that does not exist.
In a 6-3 decision in 2008, the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the photo ID requirement, finding it closely related to Indiana's legitimate state interest in preventing voter fraud, modernizing elections, and safeguarding voter confidence. Justice John Paul Stevens, in the leading opinion, stated that the burdens placed on voters are limited to a small percentage of the population and were offset by the state's interest in reducing fraud. Stevens wrote in the majority:
The recent ruling you are referring to has nothing to do with voter ID, that ruling was in response to states requiring ID's for registration which was counter to the Motor Voter legislation. If th feds decide to require ID for Motor Voter then thar is what they will have to provide.
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they do actually discriminate against the groups you mentioned.
Then you can agree the gun laws are also discriminatory?
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they even went on record that a voter ID law would deliver PA in the last presidential election.
This is 100% inline with the GOP's position that voter fraud is rampant.
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They are addressing a fraud problem that does not exist.
Voter fraud exists, the only question is the extent. No one knows the answer to that becsue it's not a crime like murder where you have a dead body. We could certainly look at some indicators for the potential.
Approximately 24 million voter registrations in the United States are no longer valid or have significant inaccuracies, according to the Pew Center on the States. Research in Pew's report, Inaccurate, Costly, and Inefficient, underscores the need for registration systems that better maintain voter records, save money, and streamline processes. This is an effort that eight states are spearheading with Pew’s support.
The report highlights the challenges nationwide:
At least 51 million eligible citizens remain unregistered—more than 24 percent of the eligible population.
More than 1.8 million deceased individuals are listed as voters.
Approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state.
About 12 million records have incorrect addresses, meaning either the voters moved, or errors in the information make it unlikely any mailings can reach them.
Well Chuck it's not me that makes the argument that voting ID laws are discriminatory, it's the left. They claim it discriminates against minorities, elderly and low income. As far as the $500 fee in DC it's certainly discriminatory against low income most of which are gong to blacks.
That's not how the comment was stated though....
It was stated that "minorities" have to jump through more hoops than the white guy.
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You've said previously that as long as the ID was free it was not discriminatory, does not the same argument apply to the $500 fee for a gun?
Nope, if you want something bad enough you will get it.....and you are singling out DC, what about the thousands of other cities that pay zero?
I think me and you are on the same page, we are just saying it in our own way....
But nope, it never happens....just ask any leftie.....
The Florida Department of Law Enforcement revealed Tuesday that two employees of a company hired by the Republican Party of Florida to register voters admitted they committed fraud during the 2012 election season.
The two former employees of Strategic Allied Consulting are facing third degree felony charges after admitting that they submitted dozens of forged voter registration applications last fall ahead of the 2012 election.
Some states offer them to the public at no cost....
It's not some states, every state that has legislation pending is going to provide the ID for free. I think the confusion arises becsue states charge for ID's however if you need it for voting you will not be charged. Here in PA the only thing you needed for the fee waiver was to sign a document stating you didn't posses any of the numerous other ID's that were acceptable for voting.
Voter fraud exists, the only question is the extent. No one knows the answer to that becsue it's not a crime like murder where you have a dead body. We could certainly look at some indicators for the potential.
Arizona's voter ID laws were struck down, it remains to be seen if other states will face a similar fate.
Some states have already decided that voter fraud exists to the extent that ID's need to be mandatory, their intentions are suspect and lack data.
How do they know voter fraud is rampant in PA, how do they know that ID's would tilt the election, if they know the demographics on the fraud then they obviously have the information.
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