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I get so tired of all the statistics that revolve around what homosexuals are doing. WHO CARES??? I am tired of them demonstrating, tired of them passing out fliers, tired of them partying in the streets when the LAW changes and they can be married, have insurance, blah, blah, blah. I DON'T care who you sleep with, I DON'T care who you live with or what you do while living with them. STOP taking up so much of our public time with your sexual preference and what you feel you are entitled to. I AM HETROSEXUAL and no one seems to care that I am Christian, love my husband and family, and at times get totally frustrated with the way the government treats us with regard to our insurance coverage....I am now on Social Security after having had a successful working career for over 30 plus years...anyone CARE that I still pay over $200.00 for my insurance coverage with $90 of that being what I have to pay for the Medicare portion?? NO, its not free. Now, all of you Gay folks...get on with your life and take advantage of the tolerance some of us do show to you. Enjoy the fact that you can now sleep with whoever you want..oh, wait....you ALWAYS COULD. Please, keep all of this info OUT of the news and out of our faces. It is growing old and no one really cares. The less said on this subject the better off everyone will be.
" take advantage of the tolerance some of us do show to you"
WTF? We should just shut up and be happy with whatever scraps YOU decide to, so graciously, bestow upon us?
WE are American citizens, and as such we will not settle for what YOU decide we should be happy with.
Just who do you think you are to tell me what I should be happy with?
I don't believe it's bigotry or hateful for a religion to state that you shouldn't engage in a particular activity. Is it bigotry or hateful to state not to use drugs, smoke or drink? It's the actions that are in question.
Then don't engage in said activity if YOUR god says not to, and let the rest of us do as we please and have equal rights under the law.
The President seems to be concerned about what African nations do. Recently, he advised African nations (Particularly Senegal) to support "homosexual marriages." Why hasn't the president asked Israel to conduct homosexual marriages on their soil as well?
I'm aware that Israel is secular, and that many of the secular Jews want gay marriage, but it's currently banned. Thanks for pointing out that Israel doesn't recognize interfaith marriages. I guess they are discriminating against people of inter-faiths who want to marry.
According to Orthodox Jews, the Torah does mention that homosexuality is wrong. I've found several articles stating such from various "Orthodox" Jews.
I think it's interesting to examine what the religious "zealots" from all religions believe, since they are practicing their religion as they believe it was intended to be practiced, not watering the teachings down to fit the worldly view of tolerance and acceptance.
For this reason, studying what Orthodox Jews, Christians and Muslims believe is salient. You seem to be back peddling on this particular issue, because on the one hand, you state that no one is trying to change anyone's religion, but when I point out that the highly religious people of these faiths believe that Homosexuality goes against God's teachings, you then state that your particular "brand" of Judaism is very accepting because they believe in homosexual rights.
Sorry to inform you of this, but again, your Synagogue has simply watered down the message, and made it more "tolerant" so that people won't become upset. They have every right to do if they choose, I just find it very misleading to pretend that those who practice these monotheistic faiths in the strictest manner, accept the notion of homosexual marriage. You and I know that it's simply untrue.
None of this rambling answers my question, which I have now asked you numerous times - how does my temple's CHOICE to teach a different message than you think is "right" mean YOUR church will not have the same right to set their own rules? How does our "watered down message" (it's not watered down, we just interpret things differently than you), or the SCOTUS rulings, affect what your church will be allowed to preach? And in what way do you believe anyone will force you to change beliefs or scriptures?
I doubt you'll have an answer, so this is the last time I will ask or engage you in this debate. If you cannot even back up one simple claim, it's obvious any further discussion will be futile.
I don't believe it's bigotry or hateful for a religion to state that you shouldn't engage in a particular activity. Is it bigotry or hateful to state not to use drugs, smoke or drink? It's the actions that are in question.
Homosexuality is neither an action nor an activity - it is an orientation. Not all gay people even have sex, let alone do anything your average heterosexual doesn't also do. Does your church also dislike heterosexuals for their "activities," and do you know what your fellow congregants do in bed?
People have inclinations to do all kinds of things. I'm sure there are people out there who are attracted sexually to kids who have not violated kids or have looked at child porn. They realize these feelings are wrong and work hard to find other outlets. Folks are born with disabilities but we tell them to work hard to overcome them, why can't homosexuals?
Because they're not actually HURTING anyone with their love for one another... if you cannot see the difference between violating a child against their will, and consenting adults having a consensual relationship, I would say that you have issues. Serious ones.
If they're happy, and don't share your opinion on religion and/or sexuality, what reason would they have to "try and overcome" what they naturally are? To please EdwardA and some churches they don't attend? Mkay, that doesn't sound at all ridiculous or self-absorbed.
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Also anyone can engage in a sex act with whomever. The ability or inclination to engage in an act is not an identity. I am a man. Men mate with women it is really that simple.
Their sexual behavior doesn't identify them either. What part of "orientation and behavior are two different things" do you guys fail to understand? These are very simple concepts, at least for some of us.
And clearly not all males "mate" with females (or vice versa), otherwise this whole debate would be a fantasy. Gay people have always and will always exist, get over it and move on with your life already. I swear, these anti-gay posts are a daily obsession of yours! What's the deal with that? Even my gay friends don't talk about it as much as you do, I swear.
People have inclinations to do all kinds of things. I'm sure there are people out there who are attracted sexually to kids who have not violated kids or have looked at child porn. They realize these feelings are wrong and work hard to find other outlets. Folks are born with disabilities but we tell them to work hard to overcome them, why can't homosexuals?
Also anyone can engage in a sex act with whomever. The ability or inclination to engage in an act is not an identity. I am a man. Men mate with women it is really that simple.
Even if all the gays could "overcome the disability of homosexuality" why is it your place to say that they should?? Why do people have to abide by what you think is "normal" or what appeals to you. Sit down, shut up and mind your own business. None of this affects you in any direct way. Why don't you go to your church and spew this garbage to them, leave off this forum.
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People have inclinations to do all kinds of things. I'm sure there are people out there who are attracted sexually to kids who have not violated kids or have looked at child porn. They realize these feelings are wrong and work hard to find other outlets. Folks are born with disabilities but we tell them to work hard to overcome them, why can't homosexuals?
Also anyone can engage in a sex act with whomever. The ability or inclination to engage in an act is not an identity. I am a man. Men mate with women it is really that simple.
Based on your statement I can conclude that homosexual attraction is not normal and has to be repressed, just like pedophilia attraction because the Bible tell me so?
If anything, I think you should be a pedophile now if you want to follow your interpretation of your Bible.
After all, pedophilia is not even illegal in the Bible. If anything, MAry was 12 years old when she was married to Joseph, an older man on his 40s.
I have such a huge problem with this that I don't even know where to begin.
First, what's this business with "and expect the rest of us to do so?" Is this more of the same Bible-obsessed insanity about how gays are going to knock on our doors and force us to become gay? Same sh*t? I'm not a young kid, and I've:
1) Never had a gay person force me to become gay.
2) Never had a gay person ask me to be gay.
3) Never had a gay person ask me to become an atheist.
4) Never had a gay person force me to become an atheist.
Also, I don't particularly like people inserting their nose into my religious beliefs. Why do you feel entitled to know, care, or intrude upon what others' religious beliefs are or are not? I'll bet you're a piece of work as a neighbor! Why don't you mind your own business instead and do some good deeds rather than spend your life nosying around about what others believe or don't?
Where do you Bible bangers come out with all these tons of bull crap? It's an endless source!
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