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The state of California teaches about the Catholic religion. For DECADES every child who is in the forth grade learns about Catholic missions. Then they make one. Many students travel to one. I did. Twice. The public school system paid the train fare. And actual Catholics gave the tour. (I've wondered how many Protestant kids took home their souvenir crucifix, bought in the gift shop, home to some very surprised parents.)
Do you have a problem with that? Or is it only Islam that "pushes their views"?
For extra fun: we were taught a Catholic priest named Junipera Serra was a hero. Even though he used Indians as slave labor. Thankfully people have since wised up and the Catholics no longer get to tell school kids converting native peoples was for their "benefit".
If it was in a public school then yes I have a problem with it.
You obviously haven't been paying attention over the last 40 years, as I have. Look up the Crusades
seeing as I haven't been living that long, you are still pushing propaganda as if it were fact.
crusades? you mean when the oppressive Catholics wanted to take over and push out the other free living people, and spread their influence across Europe? And "no, you can't have your god" belief poisoned other religions?
Seeing as the Catholics and Christians TOOK away much of Europe from the Muslims, Byzantinians, and the Ottoman Empires, what exactly is your point?
If it was in a public school then yes I have a problem with it.
How do separate religion from history? You can't... There is no way to teach history without including the influences of religion. The objective here is to stick to the facts and teach the history. The good the bad and the ugly.
Do they teach Christianity? then I understand this but otherwise it is discrimination. I have relatives in England and other European countries and they tell me they are scared Europe is becoming Islamic very fast, especially in France. Not only are they radical Muslims immigrating to these countries they are also taking advantage of their welfare system.
You would be hard pressed to find a country where a minority utilizes the majority of the welfare capacity. Just use America as an example. If you're able to separate fact from opinion you'll see things differently.
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Western Civilization is essentially Christian history - or at least that's how it was taught to me through the 90s -2000s when I was in public school. I only learned about the role that Muslims played in Spain in Spanish history (our version of Spanish 4).
Makes perfect sense to teach Islamic history in a country that once ruled MOST of the Islamic nations.
I have no problem with teaching the history of the Islamic faith. But, as I said, my only concern is if they teach it like we learned Christianity - with all its ugly faults - how are the radicals going to react? If you superficially teach it (just giving dates, places, people), then that is fine. But, once you get into the sects (which they deny really exist and only call their particular sects "True Islam) and learning about Mohammed or the other leaders of the faith, chances are they will have death threats and fatwah on their heads. This already happens to writers, journalists, artists, politicians, activists . . . blasphemy is punishable by death.
I have no problem with teaching the history of the Islamic faith. But, as I said, my only concern is if they teach it like we learned Christianity - with all its ugly faults - how are the radicals going to react? If you superficially teach it (just giving dates, places, people), then that is fine. But, once you get into the sects (which they deny really exist and only call their particular sects "True Islam) and learning about Mohammed or the other leaders of the faith, chances are they will have death threats and fatwah on their heads. This already happens to writers, journalists, artists, politicians, activists . . . blasphemy is punishable by death.
The U.K. is a nation of laws (recent history only). Do you really think they will let radicals commit crimes without prosecution? This is not 1800s Texas we're talking about...
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Separation of church and state...schools should not be teaching religion.
loop hole, Islam is a political and religious rule.. I say any group believing in a sky daddy should be considered religious group only!!! and it should not be taught in any school...
The U.K. is a nation of laws (recent history only). Do you really think they will let radicals commit crimes without prosecution? This is not 1800s Texas we're talking about...
Yep - if the law breakers were of the same belief as the law makers, and the laws were either changed or interpreted differently.
For Islam, the means by which the end is met really doesn't matter, does it?
and the replies in this thread show that you all can't tell the difference between HISTORY lessons, and the RELIGION
Their history is their religion......they don't have separation of church and state, you might be the one in for a big surprise.
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Or history?
Should the history books be cleansed of such silliness as the Reformation, witch trials, emigration in search of religious freedom, the Inquisition, the Crusades, etc., etc., etc.............................................?
We have evolved from these things and have for the most part learned from them the middle east hasn't
Do you think Saudi Arabia and Iran love their women with all of their faults?
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