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Old 07-22-2013, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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One hospital may charge $20K for an operation and another one may charge $80K, but consumers that aren't paying the bill won't concern themselves with the cost.
Difficult to price-shop when you having a heart attack. The ambulance won't take you to 3 different hospitals so that you can check out the prices. Nor would you be in any condition to do so.
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Old 07-22-2013, 11:48 PM
 
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Aren't you the guy who said he had cancer and couldn't afford the treatment, so someone else had to pay for it?
No that isn't me. Nice try though. I guess that is all you have left.
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Old 07-22-2013, 11:50 PM
 
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Nope. Thats the way things go in the US. Free choice.

But look at another alternative. Your doctor decides to drop YOU. He/she can if they wish. So, what do YOU do. No fault of anyone except YOU. Perhaps its YOUR abrasive personality. Or YOUR inability to comprehend instructions. Or YOUR lack of common sense. Maybe YOUR lack of personal hygiene. Perhaps a combination of things that all boil down to YOU.

Its the doctors choice. No ones fault but YOURS. Its just the way things are in the US. Free choice.
Obama never said the doctors would keep you. He said you can keep your doctor. Perhaps you should pay attention.
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Old 07-22-2013, 11:51 PM
 
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Even if the uninsured pay something, that is in no way a solution - not even close. So the right wing has zero answers, and as usual it knows exactly what it doesn't like and nothing else.
Your "answer" appears to be destroy the healthcare industry and support your dear leader who has lied about the whole thing from day one. What a great idea. Soon these same fools who f'd it all up will come back around and declare they are the only ones who can fix it. You of course will believe them yet again.
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Old 07-23-2013, 12:59 AM
 
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Difficult to price-shop when you having a heart attack. The ambulance won't take you to 3 different hospitals so that you can check out the prices. Nor would you be in any condition to do so.
No you won't and that is why heart related operations are one of the most profitable operations to perform. However, getting hospital price information is currently one of the most difficult things to do. If you need a hip replaced you would pay anywhere between $10K and $125K, but without even having the ability to shop around you have no idea what you are going to be charged.

One hospital charges $8,000
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Old 07-23-2013, 01:59 AM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Obama never said the doctors would keep you. He said you can keep your doctor. Perhaps you should pay attention.
Interesting. In prior postings you denied the valid logical possibility that the doctor would not keep you. Now you accept it. More than that, you now think its valid.

You contradict yourself.

Likewise, when did Obama say that you would keep the same doctor? Hmmm? He didn't say that, now did he?

Can doesn't mean would. And you've agreed to that.

I don't expect you to accept the logic trap that you've fallen into. But thats your problem not mine.
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Old 07-23-2013, 02:06 AM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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No you won't and that is why heart related operations are one of the most profitable operations to perform. However, getting hospital price information is currently one of the most difficult things to do. If you need a hip replaced you would pay anywhere between $10K and $125K, but without even having the ability to shop around you have no idea what you are going to be charged.

One hospital charges $8,000
Likewise, if you need to go to the ER NOW for whatever the reason you aren't going to price-shop. And I'm not so sure that you'd ever get a definitive price for any surgical procedure from any hospital.
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Old 07-23-2013, 02:33 AM
 
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Likewise, if you need to go to the ER NOW for whatever the reason you aren't going to price-shop. And I'm not so sure that you'd ever get a definitive price for any surgical procedure from any hospital.
It's difficult to do now and that's why the HHS dept released the study about the wide price variances. Now, some people won't care about price when insurance is paying, but the insurance companies can simply pay the average fee for the area you are in and let you pick up the rest - nice idea, but it only works when consumers have pricing information.

Administration offers consumers an unprecedented look at hospital charges
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Old 07-23-2013, 10:51 AM
 
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Interesting. In prior postings you denied the valid logical possibility that the doctor would not keep you. Now you accept it. More than that, you now think its valid.

You contradict yourself.

Likewise, when did Obama say that you would keep the same doctor? Hmmm? He didn't say that, now did he?

Can doesn't mean would. And you've agreed to that.

I don't expect you to accept the logic trap that you've fallen into. But thats your problem not mine.
What part of............“If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.”..........do you not understand????? Now your blathering about doctors and who knows what else. Syrup OD.
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Old 07-23-2013, 01:47 PM
 
Location: west mich
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Your "answer" appears to be destroy the healthcare industry and support your dear leader who has lied about the whole thing from day one. What a great idea. Soon these same fools who f'd it all up will come back around and declare they are the only ones who can fix it. You of course will believe them yet again.
Your vaunted "healthcare industry" is one dominated by insurance companies which are parasitic in nature. Why support a system of such entities which, as nothing more than middlemen, just scrape off huge profits for themselves, making healthcare more expensive, while denying or dropping customers as they see fit? Remember - you favor deregulation of these industries, correct? If not correct let me know, but this is the corporate RW view.
Why do right-wingers oppose a public option system which provies some competition for these companies? Conservative preach about the "righteousness" of marketplace competition, so why would any right-winger fear it?
Another one for you to answer.
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