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Old 07-20-2013, 02:21 PM
 
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Okay always wondered about this. Abortion is legal, even late term abortion in many states yet if a women is pregnant regardless of how far along and is murdered, the accused is also charged with a second murder? It's either a life or its not a life? What gives?

To illustrate the other hypocritical side of a simlar instance a Catholic church was recently sued for malpractice for a women losing her baby. The church claimed the baby wasn't a life. Hypocrisy is on both sides of the abortion argument.
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Old 07-20-2013, 02:25 PM
 
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Because Abortion is a lawful, constitutionally protected practice by a woman, her doctor, and her family. The abortion is of her choice.

Punching someone in the stomach and terminating the pregnanacy was not the woman choice.
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Old 07-20-2013, 02:35 PM
 
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Because Abortion is a lawful, constitutionally protected practice by a woman, her doctor, and her family. The abortion is of her choice.

Punching someone in the stomach and terminating the pregnanacy was not the woman choice.
In other words, you must have the states permission to kill the baby first.
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Old 07-20-2013, 03:07 PM
 
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Okay always wondered about this. Abortion is legal, even late term abortion in many states yet if a women is pregnant regardless of how far along and is murdered, the accused is also charged with a second murder? It's either a life or its not a life? What gives?

To illustrate the other hypocritical side of a simlar instance a Catholic church was recently sued for malpractice for a women losing her baby. The church claimed the baby wasn't a life. Hypocrisy is on both sides of the abortion argument.
The lawyers for the church claimed that it wasn't a life under CO law ( and they would be correct).
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Old 07-20-2013, 03:20 PM
 
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In other words, you must have the states permission to kill the baby first.
You must have the woman's permission to abort the pregnanacy. This is not that hard of a topic.
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Old 07-20-2013, 03:34 PM
 
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You must have the woman's permission to abort the pregnanacy. This is not that hard of a topic.
Exactly.

Just like having sex with a woman is not a crime.....unless you do so by force.
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Old 07-20-2013, 03:42 PM
 
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You must have the woman's permission to abort the pregnanacy. This is not that hard of a topic.
Topics like this simply highlight the inconsistencies and illogical arguments put forth in some of our laws:

1.) If a fetus is not a child, then a person can not be charged with murder if a fetus is killed. The fetus is, however, a potential child that is killed without the prospective mother's consent. Since a fetus lacks all other rights generally bestowed upon people/humans, why stray from legal principle and allow for such a nonsensical exception?

Either a fetus is a child or it is not! Which is it?

2.) If abortion is legal, it is contingent on the pregnant woman's consent - it is her body and thus, her choice. We know that a fetus is (generally according to law) not a human being and thus, pregnancy is nothing more than a medical condition that can or cannot be treated.

Either people have ultimate control over their own bodies or they don't! Which is it?

3.) If consent is paramount, why do we prohibit assisted suicide? After all, the issue of abortion usually revolves around a person's right to determine which medical procedures she wants to have done. Thus, in abortion issues, we are concerned with self-determination and consent.

If self-determination and consent are the pivotal factors, why are they not relevant when a person pursues assisted suicide? Not only does assisted suicide involve the person's consent, but it truly highlights the right to self-determination since it is truly just that person's body that is affected (rather than that of another potential human being).
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Old 07-20-2013, 03:45 PM
 
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You must have the woman's permission to abort the pregnanacy. This is not that hard of a topic.
But only after first the state says its ok
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Old 07-20-2013, 03:47 PM
 
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Because Abortion is a lawful, constitutionally protected practice by a woman, her doctor, and her family. The abortion is of her choice.

Punching someone in the stomach and terminating the pregnanacy was not the woman choice.
But that doesn't explain why the charge is 2nd degree MURDER if a fetus dies as the result of an attack. How can you murder someone it is legal to kill?
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Old 07-20-2013, 06:46 PM
 
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Topics like this simply highlight the inconsistencies and illogical arguments put forth in some of our laws:

1.) If a fetus is not a child, then a person can not be charged with murder if a fetus is killed. The fetus is, however, a potential child that is killed without the prospective mother's consent. Since a fetus lacks all other rights generally bestowed upon people/humans, why stray from legal principle and allow for such a nonsensical exception?
Lets take your points... point by point.

First of all. State and Federal legislatures passed laws to punish the violent acts of feticide. Since it is Unconstitutional to pass any laws restricting Abortion, the two sides of the law co-exist independently.
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