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Old 07-25-2013, 09:16 AM
 
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There are lots of details missing in this story, so it is difficult to determine if this woman had any other choices at the time. She did state that she had time to retrieve the rifle and did not intend to hit him with the shot, so my first question is, if she had time to get her weapon, why did she not have time to just leave and report the incident or hold him at gunpoint until law enforcement arrived?

IMO...SYG is going to be looked at all over the country due to its ambiguous interpretations.
I'm with you about lots of details missing, but my first blush was that she may be guilty of disorderly conduct under TPC Sec. 42.01(a)(8) and not much else, but after a discussion with another member of this forum, I'm starting to think that by brandishing the long gun and firing a warning shot into the ground she may have become a mutual combatant. In Texas, a mutual combatant DOES have a duty to retreat before the application of deadly force. The entire video has not been released, so it may be the case that she would still be justified, but the lines become much more blurry.
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Old 07-25-2013, 09:18 AM
 
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It was justified imo. She fired a warning shot though and that might hurt her.
That definitely hurts her... It could drastically alter the standards by which the application of deadly force is judged. She needs to find someone other than Quanell X to be her advocate, though. That guy would be better served if she is convicted so that he can run "injustice" and "double standard" up the flag pole.
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Old 07-25-2013, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Texas
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There is another major difference. Shaniqua does not have any injuries and she was not detained by the attacker.

Zimmerman was pinned to the ground and prevented from fleeing and was injured by Trayvon the thug.

She also failed to call the police and report it. Zimmerman called police first.


BTW, there is Video of the entire event, and from my perspective it doesn't look good for her, she had plenty of opportunites to leave, and he wasn't on top of her beating her face to a pulp.
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Old 07-25-2013, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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This woman should fry. The victim only brandished the knife. She was not justified to shoot until he stabbed her. The "Joe Biden" method of scaring away an intruder by shooting into the air fails..... again.

Trying to get laid should not be a death sentence.
Trying to get laid?? At knifepoint? What's wrong with you?
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Old 07-25-2013, 09:23 AM
 
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She also failed to call the police and report it. Zimmerman called police first.


BTW, there is Video of the entire event, and from my perspective it doesn't look good for her, she had plenty of opportunites to leave, and he wasn't on top of her beating her face to a pulp.
Well, she doesn't have to be receiving a beating to be justified in the application of deadly force. She merely needs to feel imminently threatened. A sexually aggressive man in a gas station parking lot with a knife and a prod/bludgeon (like an umbrella) poses a credible threat to a young woman and given that they were in a bona fide ROUGH area I think she would have an even stronger case. If she just retrieved the shotgun and said "GET AWAY!! GET AWAY!!" and shot him when he didn't comply, then I think the grand jury would decline to send her case to court.

Since she got into an argument with the guy and fired a warning shot, she may be a mutual combatant and would have a duty to retreat. I think that's going to be the key to this case.
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Old 07-25-2013, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Apple Valley Calif
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It was justified imo. She fired a warning shot though and that might hurt her.
Did you not view the video? He never got within three feet of her. Usually a warning shot doesn't consist of several shots to the chest. Then she pulled out her camera, took a picture of him lying on the ground and then drove away. She will get 1st degree murder. She could have easily jumped in her car and drove away if she didn't like what he said. The gun was completely unnecessary.
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Old 07-25-2013, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Apple Valley Calif
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Oh, that's really funny! Rape is now 'trying to get laid'.

In any case, all the zimbots firmly stated many, many times that in order to claim self defense/SYG, a person does not HAVE to had suffered any injuries at all, a person just has to be in FEAR for their lives.

How is this case any different?
Watch the video, he was stand three feet away talking to her. No one knows what the conversation was, he could have been asking directions..
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Old 07-25-2013, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Apple Valley Calif
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But there are people who insist on profiling young black men this way while Zim, the real gun toting thug later posing as victim, exited his vehicle with no provocation, manifested the same racist mindset of Spaten.
Zimmerman was attacked, blindsided, sucker punched and assaulted.. TM is in a better place...
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Old 07-25-2013, 09:31 AM
 
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Did you not view the video? He never got within three feet of her. Usually a warning shot doesn't consist of several shots to the chest. Then she pulled out her camera, took a picture of him lying on the ground and then drove away. She will get 1st degree murder. She could have easily jumped in her car and drove away if she didn't like what he said. The gun was completely unnecessary.
There's no way that this would be classified as capital murder in Texas. If she is convicted of wrongdoing, it will very likely be manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide.
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Old 07-25-2013, 09:34 AM
 
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Oh, that's really funny! Rape is now 'trying to get laid'.

In any case, all the zimbots firmly stated many, many times that in order to claim self defense/SYG, a person does not HAVE to had suffered any injuries at all, a person just has to be in FEAR for their lives.

How is this case any different?
The most important distinction is that Zimmerman's case was tried in Seminole County under the laws of Florida and this one will be in Harris County under the laws of Texas.
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