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Old 07-26-2013, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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Yes, the petro-dollar is of no relevance. Pull out of your wars, and see how fast your economy goes downhill.
What do you mean your wars. Are you an american.
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Old 07-26-2013, 02:23 PM
 
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It would greatly benefit them to do so. Why go down with a sinking ship?
Given the fact that we have a dependent, permanently democratic, non productive componant of society who will elect democrat politicians every time, secession is inevitable for many states.

The corridor from Texas, north to Canada, and west to the Rockies, has most of the ag, energy, land based nukes, and raw materials in the US, not to mention the best economies.

Why would any state want to stay in the Union, when they no longer have any say in the executive branch or any hope of a majority in the Senate? It is akin to being ruled by a foreign power.

As the dependent class grows (courtesy of liberal politics and open door immigration policies), the divide will only grow deeper. Further, with debt continuing to amass, many states will find it necessary to secede to maintain solvency and not suffer the consequences of federal ineptitude on their citizens.

Obama is only the beginning of the great divide, but the die has been cast.
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Old 07-26-2013, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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There's always an exception; however, if an uprising happened in Texas then the rest of the nation would send in the ground troops to shut it down and there won't be enough support in the states for a secession. We're in 2013, there's no need for it.
Y'know, I wouldn't be willing to bet on that!
It is always possible that IF the Texas Legislature passed a resolution calling on the U.S. Congress to allow Texas to secede, and IF the Governor of Texas signed it, and IF it could get to the floor of the Senate and House, it could possibly pass, and the POTUS just might sign it rather than go to war over the issue.
Then the new Republic of Texas could apply to the U.S. State Department for Foreign Aid, and they would get it, because the U.S. just LOVES to give money away.
"Never happen!", you say?
Never say "Never". Not so long ago, it was said to be impossible for any human being to go faster than 60 MPH. But, it happened. It was also said that the horse is here to stay, the automobile is just a passing fad. THAT, of course, did NOT happen!
Very little is TRULY impossible!
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Old 07-26-2013, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Y'know, I wouldn't be willing to bet on that!
It is always possible that IF the Texas Legislature passed a resolution calling on the U.S. Congress to allow Texas to secede, and IF the Governor of Texas signed it, and IF it could get to the floor of the Senate and House, it could possibly pass, and the POTUS just might sign it rather than go to war over the issue.
Then the new Republic of Texas could apply to the U.S. State Department for Foreign Aid, and they would get it, because the U.S. just LOVES to give money away.
"Never happen!", you say?
Never say "Never". Not so long ago, it was said to be impossible for any human being to go faster than 60 MPH. But, it happened. It was also said that the horse is here to stay, the automobile is just a passing fad. THAT, of course, did NOT happen!
Very little is TRULY impossible!
Imagine that. We could get as much as Egypt..$2 billion a year to keep a standing army.
We could get all this "free money" and not even have to worry because it's not our tax dollars anymore
On the other hand then we really could close the border to illegal entry once the Feds are not in charge anymore.
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Old 07-26-2013, 02:54 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Obama is a student of Lincoln like Ho chi min is a student of Thomas jefferson!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 07-26-2013, 03:22 PM
 
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#1. the US's economy isn't isolated from the rest of the world, why do you believe Texas would need to be isolated from the US?

#2. Why not use the Dollar? It's what the Republic of Texas used 1836-1846

#3. What does the US government use to back our currency? Nothing.


So, what are your other concerns?
A new Texas could probably not survive without significant economic ties to the USA. Think of its geography and pipelines for instance. The USD is indeed backed by the total productivity and output of the USA, along with the security and stability of our country and Federal Gov't.

By staying with or pegged to the USD Texas would be moving backward economically and become a country like in the EU. That is a non-monetarily sovereign country. Texas would then be dependent on an outside source for money, as they cannot create USD. So the new Texas would be hamstrung with economic policies, such as in fighting recessions, and also could not effectively wage war.
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Old 07-26-2013, 03:26 PM
 
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Imagine that. We could get as much as Egypt..$2 billion a year to keep a standing army.
We could get all this "free money" and not even have to worry because it's not our tax dollars anymore
On the other hand then we really could close the border to illegal entry once the Feds are not in charge anymore.
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Old 07-26-2013, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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A new Texas could probably not survive without significant economic ties to the USA. Think of its geography and pipelines for instance. The USD is indeed backed by the total productivity and output of the USA, along with the security and stability of our country and Federal Gov't.

By staying with or pegged to the USD Texas would be moving backward economically and become a country like in the EU. That is a non-monetarily sovereign country. Texas would then be dependent on an outside source for money, as they cannot create USD. So the new Texas would be hamstrung with economic policies, such as in fighting recessions, and also could not effectively wage war.
Why would we wage war ? Hopefully the leaders of Texas would see that trade does more for global peace than guns and tanks. China can waltz into any country and do trade deals. China doesn't worry about terrorists from ME countries trying to kill off their population.

And Texas could do a great deal of trading with South America so close and their leaders having a bad taste in their mouth regarding US relations.

As far as money, Texas does have $1 billion in gold bars sitting in the Fed Reserve bank.
Not a bad start for a monetary system.
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Old 07-26-2013, 03:30 PM
 
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Given the fact that we have a dependent, permanently democratic, non productive componant of society who will elect democrat politicians every time, secession is inevitable for many states.

The corridor from Texas, north to Canada, and west to the Rockies, has most of the ag, energy, land based nukes, and raw materials in the US, not to mention the best economies.

Why would any state want to stay in the Union, when they no longer have any say in the executive branch or any hope of a majority in the Senate? It is akin to being ruled by a foreign power.

As the dependent class grows (courtesy of liberal politics and open door immigration policies), the divide will only grow deeper. Further, with debt continuing to amass, many states will find it necessary to secede to maintain solvency and not suffer the consequences of federal ineptitude on their citizens.

Obama is only the beginning of the great divide, but the die has been cast.
But oh so complicated moving on to a new currency! Texas would first need to boot out all those over 65 years of age! SS and Medicare only deal in USD. And in most cases these moneys are not sent 'overseas'. <LOL>
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Old 07-26-2013, 03:48 PM
 
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Why would we wage war ? Hopefully the leaders of Texas would see that trade does more for global peace than guns and tanks. China can waltz into any country and do trade deals. China doesn't worry about terrorists from ME countries trying to kill off their population.

And Texas could do a great deal of trading with South America so close and their leaders having a bad taste in their mouth regarding US relations.

As far as money, Texas does have $1 billion in gold bars sitting in the Fed Reserve bank.
Not a bad start for a monetary system.
The inability to wage war is simply a rhetorical stop and think point. In the EU Germany dominates Europe without war for your reasons above.

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