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Old 09-20-2013, 08:57 PM
 
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If the Democrats would like to fund Obamacare, they can go right ahead and do it. The procedure is well-established and straightforward. Write up a bill to fund it, get it passed by both houses of Congress, get the President to sign it, and you're in business.
We did that already, but thanks for the advice. Obamacare is well funded. It's called mandatory funding.

http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/...c-b222c18fcb1d

See, the Democrats don't need the Republicans' help to fund Obamacare. But the Republicans need the Democrats' help to defund Obamacare, which is what they're demanding. Ain't gonna happen.

 
Old 09-20-2013, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Pa
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We did that already, but thanks for the advice. Obamacare is well funded. It's called mandatory funding.

http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/...c-b222c18fcb1d

See, the Democrats don't need the Republicans' help to fund Obamacare. But the Republicans need the Democrats' help to defund Obamacare, which is what they're demanding. Ain't gonna happen.
Does it matter that our elected reps seem to be ignoring the will of the people? The majority were against Obamacare before it was voted in and the majority are still against it.
 
Old 09-20-2013, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Actually the graph suggest about half and half.

And we will get a lot better view of what people actually think maybe two years after it is adopted. So perhaps a good campaign issue for 2016.

I doubt the right will pursue though at that point. The support will likely be overwhelming.
I love that mentality. It reminds me of the Simpsons skit. Monorail. LOL
We'll spend a ton of money on it, then it will be such a humungous expense to do something else we will be stuck with it.
The Dems forced this on we the people when they had the super majority. They could have passed a balanced budget instead. Instead they defied the american people and gave us this colossal burden.
 
Old 09-20-2013, 09:10 PM
 
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No it isn't. They've voted many times to repeal it, but not to defund it.

It amazes me that anyone can support Obamacare, considering that it was passed in such a shady manner in the first place. If it weren't such a tragic example of how far this country has fallen down the slope of government dependence, it would almost be funny to hear all of you singing its praises. Unfortunately, it's just sad and pathetic to watch you all gather around this law like it's some sort of present under the tree on Christmas morning.

I don't really think that the Republicans will succeed in preventing the ACA from going into effect, unfortunately. If ever there was a need for a law to be scrapped and rewritten from scratch, this is it. However, with the massive divide that the politicians have created between the left and the right, there is zero chance that any compromise will be reached. I am somewhat looking forward to the day when the Obamabots start complaining about the results of the ACA, though. It will be another chance to point and giggle at them for their failure to understand basic economic principles.
Actually you bring up a good subject. There are now known and obvious shortcomings to Obamacare. For instance this terrible part time break point. How about fixing that.

Simply require a payment to an account available to the employee for 3/4 of the amount a full time gets. Scale it down to 1/4 or 10 hours. Wham = one big shortcoming of Obamacare is gone. And an employee can put together two part time jobs to end up with coverage.

Seems an obvious thing to do. Think the right would buy it?
 
Old 09-20-2013, 09:13 PM
 
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I love that mentality. It reminds me of the Simpsons skit. Monorail. LOL
We'll spend a ton of money on it, then it will be such a humungous expense to do something else we will be stuck with it.
The Dems forced this on we the people when they had the super majority. They could have passed a balanced budget instead. Instead they defied the american people and gave us this colossal burden.
Nah - You got that wrong. They did not have the votes for single payer...which was really what was needed. and had to compromise to Obamacare.

Too bad but that is what happens when compromise gets lose.
 
Old 09-20-2013, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Actually you bring up a good subject. There are now known and obvious shortcomings to Obamacare. For instance this terrible part time break point. How about fixing that.

Simply require a payment to an account available to the employee for 3/4 of the amount a full time gets. Scale it down to 1/4 or 10 hours. Wham = one big shortcoming of Obamacare is gone. And an employee can put together two part time jobs to end up with coverage.

Seems an obvious thing to do. Think the right would buy it?
Quite frankly, at this juncture I don't think either side would buy it. Obamacare has become the focus of years' worth of ideological partisanship, and neither side is going to be willing to compromise on anything about it. We've ended up in an all or nothing position on a law that was flawed from the very beginning.
 
Old 09-20-2013, 09:47 PM
 
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We did that already, but thanks for the advice. Obamacare is well funded. It's called mandatory funding.
Yes, you did that already with mandatory funding. Like when Obama raises the deficit by 500 billion one year and then runs a 400 billion deficit the next year he pats himself on the back for "reducing spending." Like the individual mandate not being a tax, but it's constitutional because of the tax laws. Maybe one day liberals will be honest.
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See, the Democrats don't need the Republicans' help to fund Obamacare.
Sure they do. If they didn't, there wouldn't be any controversy now. They could simply ignore things and go on about their business. All the squawking about it from them is precisely because they do need Republican cooperation.
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But the Republicans need the Democrats' help to defund Obamacare, which is what they're demanding. Ain't gonna happen.
They aren't demanding anything. They passed a bill that funds everything but Obamacare. There's no demand in that.
 
Old 09-20-2013, 10:10 PM
 
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Yes, shut down the government already. I'm tired of doing this dance over and over and over. Just shut it down and we'll see who the public blames. Hint: Not Obama.
 
Old 09-20-2013, 10:32 PM
 
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Actually the graph suggest about half and half.
41% and 49% are he same amount in your world?
 
Old 09-20-2013, 10:45 PM
 
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We did that already, but thanks for the advice. Obamacare is well funded. It's called mandatory funding.

http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/...c-b222c18fcb1d

See, the Democrats don't need the Republicans' help to fund Obamacare. But the Republicans need the Democrats' help to defund Obamacare, which is what they're demanding. Ain't gonna happen.

How you gonna pay for that? Will Obamacare be the straw that breaks the back of mandatory funding?
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