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Old 08-02-2013, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Residue of apartheid. Pretty simple. Systemic injustice is going to have long-lasting effects. However, to think that apartheid was better for South Africa evidences a complete absence of any sense of morality or justice.
so apartheid is to blame? 20 plus years later?

and two rights make a wrong?

as for my question you never did answer it, is South Africa safer and wealthier post apartheid?

 
Old 08-02-2013, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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so apartheid is to blame? 20 plus years later?
Why does this surprise you? How quickly do you think it take a nation to change?

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and two rights make a wrong?
No, but a country reaps what it sows.

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as for my question you never did answer it, is South Africa safer and wealthier post apartheid?
Once again,reaping was sown during decades of immoral beliefs and unjust policies.
 
Old 08-02-2013, 08:16 PM
 
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Elysium (2013) - IMDb

In the year 2154, the very wealthy live on Elysium, a Stanford torus high-tech space station governed by President Patel (Faran Tahir), in a utopian setting which includes access to private medical machines that offer instant cures, while everyone else lives below on the overpopulated, ruined, "Third World slum"Earth has become. Those who maintain Elysium will stop at nothing to enforce anti-immigration laws and preserve their citizens' lifestyle, even destroying ships that attempt to get there.
After an industrial accident leaves him with a cancer virus, 36-year-old factory-worker and ex-con Max DeCosta (Matt Damon) has only five days to get from Los Angeles to Elysium in order to be cured. Max straps into a powerful exoskeleton and attempts to kidnap a rich businessman (William Fichtner) in order to steal his identity and hijack his way into Elysium. This pits him against Elysium’s Secretary Delacourt (Jodie Foster) and her violent secret police forces, led by Agent Kruger (Sharlto Copley).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elysium_(film)
is it based on a book about where wealth sharing is headed; sounds like it. Kind of follows the theme of those at top and everyone else in exchanges.
 
Old 08-02-2013, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Why does this surprise you? How quickly do you think it take a nation to change?



No, but a country reaps what it sows.



Once again,reaping was sown during decades of immoral beliefs and unjust policies.
So generations now should be blamed for what happened before the, immoral and unjust to some,

You did not answer my question is South Africa better, safer, wealthier day then during Apartheid?
 
Old 08-02-2013, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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So generations now should be blamed for what happened before the, immoral and unjust to some,
Where I have placed blame. It's simply fact. The effects of bad policies persist even when the policies are no longer active.

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You did not answer my question is South Africa better, safer, wealthier day then during Apartheid?
Better for whom? See you seem to think that any means is justified by certain ends, as long as those ends have nothing to do with morality and justice. I don't.
 
Old 08-02-2013, 09:53 PM
 
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Where I have placed blame. It's simply fact. The effects of bad policies persist even when the policies are no longer active.



Better for whom? See you seem to think that any means is justified by certain ends, as long as those ends have nothing to do with morality and justice. I don't.
in general..is it better? you cant say yes if you think high taxes, sky rocketing crime, and inflation are bad...but then again, I am not trying to turn hell into heaven..

as of the movie, it will crash, or at the very least wake people up to the harm of leftist ideals like Socialism, massive immigration both legal and illegal, and the long sad list of leftist failed ideals.
 
Old 08-03-2013, 07:45 AM
 
Location: USA
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it can be prevented, secure the border, limit legal immigration, end the welfare system as it exists, school vouchers... the strong will plow ahead...
You want to see class warfare? Cut off food stamps.

Some of you people have never experienced the "real world."


I'm guessing you've never been hungry.
 
Old 08-03-2013, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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You want to see class warfare? Cut off food stamps.

Some of you people have never experienced the "real world."


I'm guessing you've never been hungry.
how is giving the individual a greater choice of opinions class warfare? Wouldnt limiting them to failed government rule schools, and flood the market place with cheap unskilled be class warfare..oh wait that is what the left is doing..

I have seen the real world I live in it..seeing illegal aliens get welfare while my mom is being denied. don't tell me I don't know the real world is like, I am not going around saying illegals don't get welfare, or illegal immigration is down, or we have created 7 million new jobs....that is a person who has never lived in the real world yet is living in the White House.
 
Old 08-03-2013, 02:39 PM
 
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how is giving the individual a greater choice of opinions class warfare?
I think you mean "options" there, buddy, and it seems you want to remove the option called "be sure of something to eat", also known as food stamps. We've tried this sh.t before. "You're perfectly free not to work in the unsafe mine, now walk home as a free man and tell your kids there's no food."
 
Old 08-03-2013, 02:41 PM
 
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in general..is it better?
For whom? Dark-skinned individuals who are wronged by those of European descent? Damn straight it's better.
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