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Old 08-23-2013, 11:36 AM
 
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I'll choose the Thailand door. About 70% of its people live in rural areas. About 30% live on less than $1 income per day.If the U.S. were to eliminate all wage and labor and environmental protection laws, we too could compete in the global marketplace and create tons of new $1 a day jobs.

Who has benefited from cheap global labor more so than the U.S. people?
So you say you are willing to take a job which pays $1 a day?

Well there goes that stupid argument...
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:38 AM
 
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Weird that the number of manufacturing jobs declined in the 2000's, but our unemployment rate was dropping..

To pretend thats to blame for todays problems, 5 years after it bottomed and now beginning to climb again is just play silly..
State and local governments' were hiring back then too.

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Old 08-23-2013, 11:41 AM
 
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State and local governments' were hiring back then too.

yes, governments always hire when economies improve and they have excess cash to expand services.

Thats how it works and why the stimulus bill to fund these jobs was such a joke. Anyone with 1/2 a brain knew it was a matter of time before the jobs would be lost.
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:50 AM
 
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yes, governments always hire when economies improve and they have excess cash to expand services.

Thats how it works and why the stimulus bill to fund these jobs was such a joke. Anyone with 1/2 a brain knew it was a matter of time before the jobs would be lost.
You do realize that Bush we were in a bubble right? Congress went on a massive Keynesian spending spree, people and investors bought more homes than they could afford, and the bankers we using the banks as casinos.
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:51 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Unbelieveable that people believe this crap...

JOBS, not handouts, not welfare, not freebees, not unions, nor government, lifted people out of poverty..

By definition, government perpetuates poverty
Your argument doesnt even make sense. How does government "by definition" perpetuate poverty ?

And a Job without a decent pay would mean you are still in poverty, so what line doesnt make sense either.
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Where does government get the wealth from to "juice it?" Does government decide which new technologies, and which private companies should be juiced with free taxpayer subsides and which should not? Or by "juicing it" do you mean government squeezes select businesses like juice from a beet, until they are bled dry?
Government income comes from taxes and investments.

You raise a good point about lobbying. I would be very surprised if most European nations are anywhere near as compromised by lobbies, pacs and and super pacs, the way they are in the U.S. I do know that it would be unimaginable for these nations to make it illegal for their government to negotiate prices of prescription medications ( nod to my own one trick pony ).

The average Joe in most European nations has less housing, less car, less stuff and less debt than his U.S. counterpart. This is the price of socialism. This does not mean, average European Joe enjoys life less. He tends not to worry about the cost of healthcare or education and trusts there is a reasonable safety net if he stumbles. He also tends to drink more beer.
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:55 AM
 
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You do realize that Bush we were in a bubble right? Congress went on a massive Keynesian spending spree, people and investors bought more homes than they could afford, and the bankers we using the banks as casinos.
I didnt support the Bush $250B a year deficits either, but if you claim thats a "massive spending" spree, then what do you think of Obamas which are 4x as large?
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Your argument doesnt even make sense. How does government "by definition" perpetuate poverty ?
How does one leave poverty, by receiving welfare?
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And a Job without a decent pay would mean you are still in poverty, so what line doesnt make sense either.
Please provide me with a list of towns with a high number of citizens employed, living in poverty.
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:59 AM
 
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When Warren Buffet endorsed Obama, did you even wonder why?

And why are they seeing record profits? Hint, it has something to do with government limiting competition. The two arent a coincidence.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/20/op...fett.html?_r=0

Bottom line, no one had a plan.

I need to buy a vowel. I am not tracking your second point.
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Old 08-23-2013, 12:00 PM
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I didnt support the Bush $250B a year deficits either, but if you claim thats a "massive spending" spree, then what do you think of Obamas which are 4x as large?

How does one leave poverty, by receiving welfare?

Please provide me with a list of towns with a high number of citizens employed, living in poverty.
Provide you with a list of towns ? i dont know any research group that has done specific towns but you can have this, plenty of other articles and studies like it.

Number of working poor rises amid widening wealth gap, study shows - NBC News.com

There are indeed people with jobs who are poor, but you already knew that so what was the point of this arbitrary task ???

And again, your welfare argument makes no sense. People do not stay on welfare their entire lives. Are you claiming someone on it will continue to stay in poverty, and if so why ?

You are making a causation/correlation argument with nothing to back up your claim that it is even happening much less that one causes the other.
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Old 08-23-2013, 12:09 PM
 
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Provide you with a list of towns ? i dont know any research group that has done specific towns
There is a census done every 10 years which show the number of employed, poverty etc..
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but you can have this, plenty of other articles and studies like it.

Number of working poor rises amid widening wealth gap, study shows - NBC News.com
Yes, thats what happens when government gets in bed with big business..
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There are indeed people with jobs who are poor, but you already knew that so what was the point of this arbitrary task ???.
Of course there are, and there are people living on welfare who are poor, but you already knew that as well.

in fact in order to continue to receive welfare, one must CONTINUE TO BE POOR, hence poverty is perpetuated..
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And again, your welfare argument makes no sense. People do not stay on welfare their entire lives. Are you claiming someone on it will continue to stay in poverty, and if so why ?
Do you think welfare offers enough money for people to not be poor? What are you smoking?
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You are making a causation/correlation argument with nothing to back up your claim that it is even happening much less that one causes the other.
Welfare goes to the poor. How do you not know that?
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