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Old 08-25-2013, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
pigs in a blanket for appetizer.
I tell you to use the beef/pork/chicken weenies instead of all beef.
You tell me no because you're Jewish and keep a kosher kitchen.

I sue you because of your religious beliefs and refusal to provide a service.

Exact same principle. Religious intolerance and discrimination.
Or you do not put pigs in a blanket on your menu of items that the client can choose from. Or you specify that the pigs in a blanket are made with kosher hotdogs.

If you do not offer a service (pork products on your menu) you can not be forced to prepare pork products.

If you do photography for marriage ceremonies you can not deny that service to a client based on their sexual orientation.

If you do not do photography for any wedding ceremonies, you do not have to do photography for a wedding ceremony.

If you make wedding cakes, you can not deny a customer a wedding cake based on their sexual orientation.
If you do not make wedding cakes, you can not be forced to make a wedding cake for anyone..

 
Old 08-25-2013, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Originally Posted by nononsenseguy View Post
I wonder if a photographer would be alowed to refuse to shoot porn, if someone asked him to shoot them engaging in sexual acts. Sounds to me as though this court says "no."

I always thought that a business owner could choose what jobs he would or woudn't do. I guess the Constitution has officially been nullified by this court.

Sad day for America, and for freedom loving Americans.
Yet again, if the photographer does not do porn shoots for any client, they can not be forced to do a porn shoot for a same sex couple.
Business owners can not be forced to provide a product or service that they do not already provide. If they do provide a product or service, then they can not refuse to sell that product or service based on race, gender, religion, and in some states sexual orientation.
 
Old 08-25-2013, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
pigs in a blanket for appetizer.
I tell you to use the beef/pork/chicken weenies instead of all beef.
You tell me no because you're Jewish and keep a kosher kitchen.

I sue you because of your religious beliefs and refusal to provide a service.

Exact same principle. Religious intolerance and discrimination.
You just don't get it, do you?
 
Old 08-25-2013, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Wilsonville, OR
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Originally Posted by weltschmerz View Post
You just won't get it, will you?
There, I fixed your post.
 
Old 08-25-2013, 03:23 PM
 
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
pigs in a blanket for appetizer.
I tell you to use the beef/pork/chicken weenies instead of all beef.
You tell me no because you're Jewish and keep a kosher kitchen.

I sue you because of your religious beliefs and refusal to provide a service.

Exact same principle. Religious intolerance and discrimination.

There is nothing in any law, anywhere, that can tell a restaurant what kind of food they have to serve, as long as they meet code and health and safety standards, etc.

If you don't want to serve pigs in a blanket as a caterer or restaurant owner, you don't have to.

NO ONE can sue you for that.

The law doesn't have anything to do with what you sell or offer as a business--it just says that IF you offer or sell something to the general public, you have to offer and sell it to everyone, regardless of race, religion, etc. You can't turn down a Jewish customer because they're Jewish, but if your store doesn't offer Kosher cooking, then the law can't make you make a Kosher meal either. The Jewish customer would have to pick from the items you DO offer, just like everyone else, knowing that it's not Kosher, or pick a cater that does Kosher.

Let's try a different approach. Let's say you own a Christian Bookstore. No one can sue you for refusing to carry Satanist books as part of your inventory. However, a customer COULD sue you if you refused to sell the books you DO carry to a customer because the customer is a Satanist.

Is that making any more sense to you?

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Old 08-25-2013, 03:25 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
pigs in a blanket for appetizer.
I tell you to use the beef/pork/chicken weenies instead of all beef.
You tell me no because you're Jewish and keep a kosher kitchen.

I sue you because of your religious beliefs and refusal to provide a service.

Exact same principle. Religious intolerance and discrimination.
No, it's not even CLOSE to the same principle... they don't carry pork products for ANYONE, which is mighty different from saying "we'll make pork for you, but not for those people." This has been explained to you in a few ways it seems, but I'm not sure you get it yet.

You cannot discriminate against a person, but you can discriminate against a product; think of it like that.
 
Old 08-25-2013, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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No, it's not even CLOSE to the same principle... they don't carry pork products for ANYONE, which is mighty different from saying "we'll make pork for you, but not for those people." This has been explained to you in a few ways it seems, but I'm not sure you get it yet.

You cannot discriminate against a person, but you can discriminate against a product; think of it like that.
I'll buy that argument.
 
Old 08-25-2013, 03:33 PM
 
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Originally Posted by gizmo980 View Post
No, it's not even CLOSE to the same principle... they don't carry pork products for ANYONE, which is mighty different from saying "we'll make pork for you, but not for those people." This has been explained to you in a few ways it seems, but I'm not sure you get it yet.

You cannot discriminate against a person, but you can discriminate against a product; think of it like that.
Thank you--that was a really clear way of explaining it.
 
Old 08-25-2013, 03:43 PM
 
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If they are forced to do it or have to pay some stupid penalty for not doing it, I would screw up the shots then. Then they can take it or leave it.
 
Old 08-25-2013, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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If they are forced to do it or have to pay some stupid penalty for not doing it, I would screw up the shots then. Then they can take it or leave it.
They have to pay $6K and the wedding has been over for years.
I just read the baker that refused to make the cake in Colorado might get 1 year in jail.
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