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Old 12-01-2013, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Originally Posted by gunlover View Post
So firearms have never been confiscated?

So firearms were never confiscated after Hurricane Katrina?

Fact: It did in California. The 1989 Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act required
registration. Due to shifting definitions of “assault weapons,” many legal firearms are
now being confiscated by the California government.

Fact: It did in New York City. In 1967, New York City passed an ordinance requiring a
citizen to obtain a permit to own a rifle or shotgun, which would then be registered. In
1991, the city passed a ban on the private possession of some semi-automatic rifles and
shotguns, and “registered” owners were told that those firearms had to be surrendered,
rendered inoperable, or taken out of the city.
Whatever is unconstitutional is challenged legally by the NRA lawyers. If not, there're not doing their job and whose fault is that?

 
Old 12-01-2013, 02:55 PM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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"The 2nd amendment was placed there to protect the people from a tyrannical government."

No it wasn't. How do you know what the intent was? Were you in the room?
I think the whole "protect the people from a tyrannical government" crap was invented by the people who operate from a place of paranoia and fear. Their only agenda is to spread paranoia and fear to cultivate hate so they invent the myth that "government is gonna come getcha!" if you don't have a gun. Pure, unadulterated BS
Despite their arsenals, the government encroaches a little more on us all every day....to the point that this country bears no resemblance to that which our founders envisioned.

I don't know what they think they're going to stop. Big Brother is here and has been for 25 years. At what point do the guns come out and point out the windows?

Pure, unadulterated BS is correct.

Besides, while they've been expending their last ounce of courage obsessing over "government tyranny", they've worse than completely ignored the corporate tyranny that has become the real enemy of the people. Worse than because they, generally speaking, are Big Business's staunchest and blindest supporters.

It's all slipping away....but their gun will save them from the powers that be....just like it did here.


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Old 12-01-2013, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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"The 2nd amendment was placed there to protect the people from a tyrannical government."

No it wasn't. How do you know what the intent was? Were you in the room?
I think the whole "protect the people from a tyrannical government" crap was invented by the people who operate from a place of paranoia and fear. Their only agenda is to spread paranoia and fear to cultivate hate so they invent the myth that "government is gonna come getcha!" if you don't have a gun. Pure, unadulterated BS
So the founders did not just win a war against the best trained army in the world along with hessian mercenaries? They did not see the horrors of unchecked power and how it merciless was unleashed upon the innocent a prodigious fleet they have collected,they cannot help being astonished That a people should come 3,000 miles At such risk, trouble and expense To rob, plunder and destroy another people Because they will not lay their lives And fortune at their feet?

They did not understand the basic nature of men and government is tp uspre the power, rights, liberty, and property of those around their throw force or the threat of force to dominate his fellow man.
 
Old 12-01-2013, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Whatever is unconstitutional is challenged legally by the NRA lawyers. If not, there're not doing their job and whose fault is that?
So you are admiring firearms have been confiscated?
 
Old 12-01-2013, 03:33 PM
 
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The Second Amendment was never intended to protect the people from a tyrannical government. That’s simple nonsense. The rights secured by the Second Amendment, whether individual or collective, are subject to law; and there is no law that allows the people to take up arms against the government. To the contrary, even to advocate such action constitutes a crime under 18 U.S.C. § 2385. Our individual rights and liberty are provided and protected by law, not by guns; and the method for effecting change is not by armed insurrection, but by vote of our elected representatives in government, and by lawful means through the courts, not lawlessness. That’s the way of our constitutional republic; that’s the American way.
 
Old 12-01-2013, 03:36 PM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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The Second Amendment was never intended to protect the people from a tyrannical government. That’s simple nonsense. The rights secured by the Second Amendment, whether individual or collective, are subject to law; and there is no law that allows the people to take up arms against the government. To the contrary, even to advocate such action constitutes a crime under 18 U.S.C. § 2385. Our individual rights and liberty are provided and protected by law, not by guns; and the method for effecting change is not by armed insurrection, but by vote of our elected representatives in government, and by lawful means through the courts, not lawlessness. That’s the way of our constitutional republic; that’s the American way.
Rep coming your way, Wendell.
 
Old 12-01-2013, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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So you are admiring firearms have been confiscated?
Never said that or implied that.
I feel guns should not be regulated.
The people who own them and want to purchase them should be regulated with reasonable restrictions.
 
Old 12-01-2013, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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We will not be the ones to throw the first punch...

If you look at the history of terrorism in America it is leftist with a very few exceptions, Funny what was America`s first terrorist organization? The Ku Klux Klan wait wasn't that started by the Democratic Party to harass and prevent blacks from voting?
So basically you guys are going to continue to sit on your hands like good little puppies while you continue to whine because the moment you do any uprising you will be labeled as Domestic Terrorists even if you think you aren't striking first.
 
Old 12-01-2013, 06:53 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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The Second Amendment was never intended to protect the people from a tyrannical government. That’s simple nonsense. The rights secured by the Second Amendment, whether individual or collective, are subject to law; and there is no law that allows the people to take up arms against the government. To the contrary, even to advocate such action constitutes a crime under 18 U.S.C. § 2385. Our individual rights and liberty are provided and protected by law, not by guns; and the method for effecting change is not by armed insurrection, but by vote of our elected representatives in government, and by lawful means through the courts, not lawlessness. That’s the way of our constitutional republic; that’s the American way.
If one bases your premise on the provision that the government is operating within tbe law and the tenates of the Constitution, that is certainly true. If the government decides a pacification of the population by force is needed, anx tbe laws against such and the rights of the people to not have such force arrayed against them become a nuisance to whatever end the central power has in mind, then fighting back becomes the only viable option.

Your premise is dependent on tbe cental power allowing free elections and representitave dissent. Yes, I realize that the idea of a coup seems an impossibility to some. However, it is far from impossible. The right to keep and bear arms, and to form militias is at tbe heart of the 2A. Regular citizens have the right to band together to defend their communities, their homes, their families , their lives and their property. From all enemies, foriegn and domestic.

We are not talking about paranoid nut cases living in secluded compounds. We are talking about peaceful, everyday, average folks, who, in time of need may have to take up arms. They may be needed to SUPPORT the police and military against outside aggression, such as powerful drug cartels and/terrorist groups, who, by force of arms, wish to make a point by raising havoc.

Coming tovether to fight for what is ours is also the American way.
 
Old 12-01-2013, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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We will not be the ones to throw the first punch...

If you look at the history of terrorism in America it is leftist with a very few exceptions, Funny what was America`s first terrorist organization? The Ku Klux Klan wait wasn't that started by the Democratic Party to harass and prevent blacks from voting?
Yes, those who have a only an abbreviated knowledge of history make that assertion. The Democratic Party in the South in the pre-civil rights era was a completely different party than the Democratic Party of today. Those that belonged o that party switched to the Republican Party after Nixon's Southern Strategy.

You also make contradictory claims. You claim that "terrorism in America it is leftist" and then use the KKK as the example, which means that you don't know that the KKK was far from a leftist organization.
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