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Old 09-15-2013, 01:17 PM
 
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Originally Posted by North Beach Person View Post
I seem to remember this type of comparison between government and family when I was in 1st grade. That would have been 1960.

To teach small kids abstract concepts, which government is, you have to use comparisons they understand.
Understanding abstract concepts and articulating are different. Children understand abstract. Calling it family is akin to calling any corp family. It is an artificial construct, not really all that abstract. However, one could hardly expect a govt school not to push this kind of thinking.
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Old 09-15-2013, 01:26 PM
 
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If public schools had any integrity, they'd be teaching (with numerous examples) how the state is a threat to their life, liberty and happiness.
Seeing as how public schools are an extension of that same criminal apparatus, its not going to ever happen.
Home school your children.
There appears to be an exponential increase in homeschooling.

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Old 09-15-2013, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Because you're not serious.

You can't disguise that your sole effort here is personal attack on others.
Lol! Asking why more Conservatives don't go into teaching is a personal attack? Get a grip, dude.
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Old 09-15-2013, 02:26 PM
 
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Lol! Asking why more Conservatives don't go into teaching is a personal attack? Get a grip, dude.
Go easy on him. He just learned that saying the pledge of allegiance means you are pledging allegiance to the U.S. government. I think he's still in shock over that one.
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Old 09-16-2013, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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It is dastardly. Government is overbearing, predatory, power-mongering, greedy, corrupt, and antagonistic to the welfare of the individual.
We are becoming a nanny state! I am concerned with he amount of people that are content with the government taking care of them, have they become that lazy. Teaching kids and adults for that matter, is nothing more than brainwashing so they can control you. Wise up America before it is too late.
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Old 09-16-2013, 08:24 AM
 
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Whats with the right wing hating (alleged) government indoctrination from age 5-17, but praise religious indoctrination from birth?

And most of the time go so far as to say we should have MORE religion. Why the logical disconnect?

You either want people to think for themselves or you don't. Which is it?
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Old 09-16-2013, 08:26 AM
 
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Are you still talking about 1960 ? because by 3rd grade, i knew all 50 state capitals, the last 4 Alabama state governors, Which territories/states/countries Alabama had belonged to, the difference between a Monarchy and democracy , and the 3 branches of government ?

this was the mid 1990's for me.
I doubt any or few kids today would know all of what you learned, with the dumbed down version of the curriculum today, they are lucky to come out of high school little more than a blithering idiot and illiterate to boot.
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Old 09-16-2013, 08:29 AM
 
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I doubt any or few kids today would know all of what you learned, with the dumbed down version of the curriculum today, they are lucky to come out of high school little more than a blithering idiot and illiterate to boot.
What curriculum? Thanks to W, all our teachers do now is beat standardized testing into kids' heads so the school can keep getting federal money. Where's the incentive to actually teach?
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Old 09-16-2013, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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Exactly right.. It does not take much in the brains department to understand what the teacher's point was. The sense of community, civility and the concept of how we are all interconnected to some degree is a concept that has become radioactive to the right wing. This is why there is such a gap between the haves and the have nots in this country. The "I got mine, the hell with you" attitude and the good old
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mantra is most likely what the teacher was rejecting. Good for her.
I don't think any body ever denied they had help building anything, but when you take that statement out of the equation, you take away the incentive for great people to do great things and take some personal credit. Remember, everything starts with one mans idea and blossoms from there. Or don't you get it?
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Old 09-16-2013, 08:44 AM
 
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What curriculum? Thanks to W, all our teachers do now is beat standardized testing into kids' heads so the school can keep getting federal money. Where's the incentive to actually teach?
I agree, no child left behind opened a can of worms.
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