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Like Obama did with Sequestration?
Show me 1 Republican that supports shutdown??
I could show you a big list. But start with the big ones:
Boehner
Cantor
Cruz..
Of course, they play dumb and say "hey, we passed a bill avoiding the shutdown." But the problem for them is that most people are not stupid and know that they are trying to use the threat of the shutdown to the nation to achieve that which they couldn't in the election booth.
Maybe our government should learn how to manage money and spend within their means??
Obamacare reduces the budget deficit, and repealing it would create an opposite effect. This shutdown has nothing to do with money and everything with protecting the damaged GOP brand. Two top GOP economists just chastised the tea-party cons for thinking ACA will fail. They've crunched the numbers and know it won't. So why are the cons hellbent on defunding it? Are they afraid it will succeed? That would be my guess.
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Obamacare reduces the budget deficit, and repealing it would create an opposite effect. This shutdown has nothing to do with money and everything with protecting the damaged GOP brand. Two top GOP economists just chastised the tea-party cons for thinking ACA will fail. They've crunched the numbers and know it won't. So why are the hellbent on defunding it? Are they afraid it will succeed? That would be my guess.
Seriously? Republicans are doing everything they possibly can to sabotage our economy. They need to stop being babies and accept the fact that Obamacare is here to stay and the voters have spoken.
Our federal government does NOT help our economy. In fact, it is the largest harm to our economy to exist.
It will NOT hurt the economy to tear it down to 1/3 size.
Thats what medicaide was supposed to do and that half baked POS legislation failed. What are you going to do about the 25 million who are supposed to slip through the obamacare cracks pass somemore unread legislation. When do you liberals realize that passing all this legislation never helps and always makes things worse
I highly highly doubt our healthcare system will be worse that they despicable system we have in place now that allows for denying of pre-existing conditions and leaving the unemployed without affordable access to healthcare. Our current system is a disgrace on a global scale and needs to go.
Throw as much imaginary numbers out there if you want (25 million???). You should probably wait to see actual figures on that before you jump to conclusions. A year from now, we can actually talk about facts.
Once upon a time, if Republicans or Democrats didn't like certain laws or policies, they actually went to the trouble of winning elections that garnered sufficient control of the House, Senate, and White House to move forward with an agenda through the legislative process. That was the intent of the Constitution.
Now, since that hasn't worked out for them, supposedly Constitution-loving Republicans have decided to toss all that out the window and just use what hold they have in the House to conduct plain and simple economic terrorism.
We can't get what we want through legislation? Fine, we'll shut down the government, slash the credit rating, and screw over the economy.
It's disgusting, and no decent, Constitution-loving person should stand for this, regardless of their personal opinion of Obamacare.
When the government shuts down in a few days and bills/benefits already owed stop being paid; the nation's credit rating gets downgraded and interest on foreign debt shoots up; and your IRA/401K takes a hefty hit...remember come next election that you have the Republicans to thank for this. They will own 100% of it.
The rest of us sane members of the United States should not negotiate with terrorists.
hmmm...
its the republicans that have passed budgets and HARRY REID and the DEMOCRATS have FAILED to pass
its the republicans that have submitted JOBS BILLS , and the democrats tabled the bill
its the republican that have FULLY funded the government, minus obozocare....and you call that terrorism
70% of americans think obamacare is the WRONG WAY TO GO....yet the demoterrorist think forcing it on the people is the 'nice thing to do'
Obamacare reduces the budget deficit, and repealing it would create an opposite effect. This shutdown has nothing to do with money and everything with protecting the damaged GOP brand. Two top GOP economists just chastised the tea-party cons for thinking ACA will fail. They've crunched the numbers and know it won't. So why are the hellbent on defunding it? Are they afraid it will succeed? That would be my guess.
The irony is that a shutdown would cost them the house and failing to raise the debt ceiling will cost them their party.
Once upon a time, if Republicans or Democrats didn't like certain laws or policies, they actually went to the trouble of winning elections that garnered sufficient control of the House, Senate, and White House to move forward with an agenda through the legislative process. That was the intent of the Constitution.
Now, since that hasn't worked out for them, supposedly Constitution-loving Republicans have decided to toss all that out the window and just use what hold they have in the House to conduct plain and simple economic terrorism.
We can't get what we want through legislation? Fine, we'll shut down the government, slash the credit rating, and screw over the economy.
It's disgusting, and no decent, Constitution-loving person should stand for this, regardless of their personal opinion of Obamacare.
When the government shuts down in a few days and bills/benefits already owed stop being paid; the nation's credit rating gets downgraded and interest on foreign debt shoots up; and your IRA/401K takes a hefty hit...remember come next election that you have the Republicans to thank for this. They will own 100% of it.
The rest of us sane members of the United States should not negotiate with terrorists.
conservatives are staring at demographic extinction on the national level and at the state level of many of the most populous states. They are terrified of the future of Texas because once that state becomes competitive, it is over.
Now, much like a lot of businesses find themselves in a declining yet still profitable sector, the Republican party has that choice that many companies fail to make, which is to transition from their cash cow sector that is declining over into potential new areas of growth.
It is an extremely difficult choice because the new sector of potential growth is guaranteed to lose money and it will destroy their cash cow sector.
This is where the Republican party is right now. They have their old reliable voters and donors which are profitable and which will win them elections around the nation for a long time, but that batch of voters is declining. Worse the voters who support the conservative party don't get they are declining in electoral significance because for most of their lives people who looked them were all that mattered in politics.
If you are a 60 year conservative voter the world the political world you came of age in is a different one from 2013. Yet, many of those voters still think they represent the majority of American opinion and of course they no longer do.
These failing desperation tactics by the conservative party are in fealty to voters and not being able to be honest with their supporters. That those supporters will be or are no longer enough for the party to remain viable in national and many of the most populous state elections over the long term.
And so because they see no national electoral victories. They are afraid of losing many governors seats next election. They are afraid they won't gain the Senate and they are worried that in 2016 they'll lose the House.
So they have to rally the voting base who hates President Obama, thinks the rest of the nation feels the same, and they think people see Obamacare in the same Apocalyptic terms.
conservatives in part believe this based on polls that show that many Americans don't approve of the law.
But that is mostly because Americans are skeptical and confused about just what the law will do and if it will work, but conservative voters don't read the polls like, oh Americans are just expressing some level of skepticism about the law.
Instead conservatives read their own insane thoughts about the health care law into those poll results and they see it as proof that their opinion still represents the majority American opinion.
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I highly highly doubt our healthcare system will be worse that they despicable system we have in place now that allows for denying of pre-existing conditions and leaving the unemployed without affordable access to healthcare. Our current system is a disgrace on a global scale and needs to go.
Throw as much imaginary numbers out there if you want (25 million???). You should probably wait to see actual figures on that before you jump to conclusions. A year from now, we can actually talk about facts.
oh please...less than .5% of 'pre-existing' was ever denied
who DENYS the most coverage............the government
you want affordable health care....just how will you pay for it...nothing is free my friend
think singlepayer would be cheaper......to cover 320 million people would cost the taxpayers 3 trillion (using a medicare type 80/20 coverage) to 6 trillion (using a Medicaid 100% type coverage) and that with the '''low''' reimbursement rate that the government gives, and the high deny rate the government gives
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