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Old 09-25-2013, 11:22 PM
 
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The people don't want Obamacare.


3% more people wanted Obama than Romney. You can stop pretending Obama won by 20%.
You remind me of those Japanese soldiers that were stranded in the Pacific and no one remembered to tell them that the war was over and they lost.


Japanese Soldier Hiroo Onoda Surrenders 29 Years After End of World War II
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Old 09-25-2013, 11:23 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Why do you continue to ask the same questions that have already been addressed in previous posts? The Democrats are far from perfect, but I've seen zip, zero, nada from the right that shows any concern for ANY generation. All we get from the right these days are talking points and they are starting to be referrred to as Limbaugh Teapublicans.
I havnt seen anyone with a solution to paying for Obamacare, borrowing money indefinatly is not a solution by the way.
Like I have said many times in this post, start with tort reform and cost disclosures to help reduce health care costs. Another solutions would be to stop illegal immigrants from coming into the country and sucking up resources, that would help as well.
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Old 09-25-2013, 11:24 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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You remind me of those Japanese soldiers that were stranded in the Pacific and no one remembered to tell them that the war was over and they lost.


Japanese Soldier Hiroo Onoda Surrenders 29 Years After End of World War II
The war just started, history will be the judge of the victor.
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Old 09-25-2013, 11:28 PM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
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I havnt seen anyone with a solution to paying for Obamacare, borrowing money indefinatly is not a solution by the way.
Like I have said many times in this post, start with tort reform and cost disclosures to help reduce health care costs. Another solutions would be to stop illegal immigrants from coming into the country and sucking up resources, that would help as well.
I haven't seen anyone come up with a solution to paying for the vast expensive interstate highway system, or the oversized military we have, or the massive farm bill, or the oil industry subsidies.

Funny how the one expenditure you seem to have a problem with is the one that will insure 30 million Americans.
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Old 09-25-2013, 11:29 PM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
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The war just started, history will be the judge of the victor.
Considering we're still the only developed country without universal healthcare, how do you think history will judge the first attempt to get us in line with the rest of civilization?
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Old 09-25-2013, 11:32 PM
 
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Considering we're still the only developed country without universal healthcare, how do you think history will judge the first attempt to get us in line with the rest of civilization?
Once upon a time we were the only country without a king or emperor or other ruler. A federation of states with a minimal central government.

It worked well for us. It would still, if we were following the law.

You have yet to provide ANY evidence that Congress can run a lemonade stand, much less anything important.
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Old 09-25-2013, 11:45 PM
 
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I havnt seen anyone with a solution to paying for Obamacare, borrowing money indefinatly is not a solution by the way.
Like I have said many times in this post, start with tort reform and cost disclosures to help reduce health care costs. Another solutions would be to stop illegal immigrants from coming into the country and sucking up resources, that would help as well.
Tax increases. There is your solution.
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Old 09-25-2013, 11:48 PM
 
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I haven't seen anyone come up with a solution to paying for the vast expensive interstate highway system, or the oversized military we have, or the massive farm bill, or the oil industry subsidies.

Funny how the one expenditure you seem to have a problem with is the one that will insure 30 million Americans.

actually, we have a solution for all of them.

The Constitution, which strictly forbids all the wasteful spending and economic interference. We want it restored, and it means YOUR agenda has to go, it is 100% unconstitutional.
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Old 09-25-2013, 11:49 PM
 
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Tax increases. There is your solution.
Really? Do you not think that diverting our incomes to the government is a really, REALLY bad idea?
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Old 09-26-2013, 12:03 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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The Cancer diagnosis is a preexisting condition that would disqualify him/her from buying private insurance. The ACA addresses this.

There are 50 states each with their own politically appointed insurance commission and laws.
Should an insurer be allowed to sell healthcare policies across state lines, ( which do0es not address the issue of pre-existing conditions) the insurer's domicile would govern the policy, regardless of the state of the insured. Most people don't know their own state's regulations, let alone how the other 49 state laws compare and contrast. Can you imagine?

"Get government out of healthcare and destroy hospital monopolies" seems to be a contradiction.


Yes, Obamacare would allow a person with a very costly medical condition to purchase a policy after they have become ill, and this regardless of whether or not they had insurance before the costly condition developed.

This will allow anyone and everyone to go through life without health insurance by just paying the relatively insignificant non-compliance fine/tax required by the new law.

Of course this will reduce the number of policy holders at the same time costs will be increasing due to the requirement that insurers take all comers.

As premiums increase, fewer people will be able to afford insurance and fewer employers will offer it.

Over time, non-government health insurance will be bankrupted, as planned.

With private insurance companies unable to offer affordable policies, the federal government will create a single-payer system to resolve the crisis, as planned.


Lots of practical solutions are available that include low-cost high-deductible catastrophic care plans, health savings accounts and subsidized plans that could solve the problem of the uninsured raising medical costs without gaming the system and without destroying private insurance, but the purpose of Obamacare has always been to destroy all alternatives to a single-payer system.
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