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Not nearly so much with conservatives as with liberals.
You only say that because you are a conservative. They both lie to varying degrees on a variety of issues. They all lie to get into office and all they do is try and make the other look bad. As far as I can tell, both of our parties are part of the same political view: the obstructionists. They're more concerned with their own goals than the goals of the people.
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Similar to how we don't care about the environment, we think all poor people are lazy, we are racist and homophobic, we want to control womens' bodies, etc.
Conservatives do fine in economics for the most part. As I said, the rich are the only people actually benefiting from many conservative policies, so it's evident to me that they have a horrid social policy. And they really do. I don't necessarily think they're racist, but homophobic much of the time. Some are more lenient and rather than saying gay people aren't deserving, they can have civil unions. So be it. This is an opinion though. It's not based on anything concrete (religious texts aren't concrete). Many republicans are homophobic, the degree to which they are varies. In general, I'd see things like saying 'I'm not against gays, I just don't want them to be regarded as equal' as bigotry that has no place in politics.
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It's a worldview based on emotion and how things "should" be.
What's wrong with that? Moving the world away from war and greed and into peace and equality sounds pretty good to me. And I'm not saying democrats are doing this. I think both major parties are outdated and need to be replaced (or at least need serious competition from other parties).
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It isn't smart. It's emotion.
I have yet to hear a liberal say evolution should not be taught in schools, or at least be taught along side creationism. Liberals regard science as important. What's not smart about that?
Of course you are entitled to your opinion, or delusion. Rather than relying on others telling you how liberalism works, why don't you get educated yourself. I would start with reading "Economics 101" and "World History 101."
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Originally Posted by Aldous9
Everything else i said was a fact.
You said that CA economy is the most productive. Go ahead, provide a source for that statement.
You said that CA economy is the most efficient in the Union. Go ahead, provide a source for this too.
Yes, CA is the largest state economy in the US. But that did not start and spring up in the last 20 year when CA went liberal full-blow.
In fact in the last several years, CA's economy, as a percentage of the overall US economy has shrunk. I provided the link in an earlier post.
Conservatives do fine in economics for the most part. As I said, the rich are the only people actually benefiting from many conservative policies, so it's evident to me that they have a horrid social policy. And they really do. I don't necessarily think they're racist, but homophobic much of the time. Some are more lenient and rather than saying gay people aren't deserving, they can have civil unions. So be it. This is an opinion though. It's not based on anything concrete (religious texts aren't concrete). Many republicans are homophobic, the degree to which they are varies. In general, I'd see things like saying 'I'm not against gays, I just don't want them to be regarded as equal' as bigotry that has no place in politics.
You are confusing conservative with republican. They overlap in some aspects but, they differ in many others.
I think this distinction will become clearer in the re-alignment we are probably about to go through.
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Moving the world away from war and greed and into peace and equality sounds pretty good to me.
That's wonderful, I would love it too. So let's have that discussion. Equality might mean something different to you and me, but hey let's throw a blanket there.
I think the discussion of human spirit and the community spirit is very relevant to California.
You are confusing conservative with republican. They overlap in some aspects but, they differ in many others.
I think this distinction will become clearer in the re-alignment we are probably about to go through.
Conservatives are anti-progress. They hold tradition to higher value than change, even if change makes more sense. Example being gay marriage. I have yet to hear a good reason as to why two men can't get married, but that doesn't matter. It's change, so it's wrong. This is a fairly accurate description of the current republican party.
I won't say conservatism is wrong. It isn't always. It would depend on what you're talking about. Civil rights are my favorite area. Conservative have historically never been right on any civil issue. Slavery was ended, despite tradition (republicans were once socially liberal). Why would they be right in regards to gay marriage or they're made up version of history where all the founding fathers were devoted Christians.
For whatever reason, the current republicans are very anti-secularism. And that's all fine and dandy, but they claim to support the constitution, which makes it clear what the relation of church and state is to be. The relation is separation, which is basically the simplified definition of secularism.
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So, let's start -- please define equality.
Everyone having the same rights and opportunities would be equality.
Actually Bill Maher calls himself a libertarian. I don't know what kind of libertarian holds California as a role model.
This guy are not even able to identify what kind of opinions he has, so then why should we listen to anything else he got to say.
You can't listen to what he says because he skewers your FOX News supplied talking points and makes conservatives look foolish.
Of course, the mainstream media would never do this, as they have to give off the appearance of neutrality, which is really BS, because what they are really doing is enabling conservative obstruction, wars, and wasteful spending.
Cruz, Bachmann, King, Gohmert, these people are mainstream Republicans today! They are a comedians best. friend, but Maher knows what their party is doing to this country is NOT funny.
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