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Old 09-29-2013, 11:34 AM
 
Location: CA
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Originally Posted by Goinback2011
How about raising the tax only on those who think the tax should be raised?

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Logic?
We'll all get 'what we wanted' -- isn't that 'what we want'?

Sheesh.....
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Old 09-29-2013, 11:34 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Ok here we go. A gas tax of 3 additional dollars would do the following:
1. Reduce the amount of harmful drilling and oilsand mining currently going on.
2. Ensure more of our easily accessible oil sources are preserved for the future
3. Reduce the need for political intervention abroad to secure oil
4. Reduce urban sprawl, which would make cities much nicer and significantly reduce the amount of time the average american spends in congestion.
5. Allow us to develop more rail transportation and less highway transportation
6. We wouldn't have to subsidize bio fuels anymore, which are wrecking our soil and killing our food prices.

So, will this have a negative effect on GDP growth, sure, in the short run. The cost of everything will go up because everything depends on transportation. In the long run however, we will benefit due to more efficient cities and transportation methods, less military spending, less amounts land destroyed by oilsand harvesting in Canada, and easier accessible sources for the future, and better soil for our future farmers.

What do you think? To me, this is the best and most effective environmental move the US could do for sustainability. Also, it would help balance our budget by increasing tax revenue and decreasing expenditures due to subsidization of green energy.
Yet another Government-uber-alles fanatic who thinks we don't pay enough taxes.

Tell you what, phil. Next time you fill up, just mail the govt a check for $30. No one's stopping you. And the time after that, just do it again. And again.

But don't try to force me, OK? Higher taxes are your idea. YOU pay them.

If you're really this dedicated, there's one thing I CAN do for you. Every time I fill up, I'll let you know. And you can send them a check for $30 for my fillup, too.

That's what you had in mind, after all, wasn't it? More money to the government, for every fillup?
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Old 09-29-2013, 11:35 AM
 
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Logic?
If you have to ask, you have a cognitive problem.
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Old 09-29-2013, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Originally Posted by Phil P View Post
Ok here we go. A gas tax of 3 additional dollars would do the following:
1. Reduce the amount of harmful drilling and oilsand mining currently going on.
2. Ensure more of our easily accessible oil sources are preserved for the future
3. Reduce the need for political intervention abroad to secure oil
4. Reduce urban sprawl, which would make cities much nicer and significantly reduce the amount of time the average american spends in congestion.
5. Allow us to develop more rail transportation and less highway transportation
6. We wouldn't have to subsidize bio fuels anymore, which are wrecking our soil and killing our food prices.
7. Destroy the economy completely.
You missed something, so I added it for you.

Do you not understand that every single thing you use or buy is delivered by a truck? A truck that runs on fossil fuel? You can wax poetic about rail all you want, but the simple fact remains - and will continue to remain - if you got it, a truck brought it.

What a monumentally stupid OP. Raise the gas tax by three dollars... Unbelievable. Do you guys THINK for even a single moment before spewing your vomit all over the Internet? Unreal.
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Old 09-29-2013, 11:38 AM
 
Location: planet octupulous is nearing earths atmosphere
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Originally Posted by Phil P View Post
Ok here we go. A gas tax of 3 additional dollars would do the following:
1. Reduce the amount of harmful drilling and oilsand mining currently going on.
2. Ensure more of our easily accessible oil sources are preserved for the future
3. Reduce the need for political intervention abroad to secure oil
4. Reduce urban sprawl, which would make cities much nicer and significantly reduce the amount of time the average american spends in congestion.
5. Allow us to develop more rail transportation and less highway transportation
6. We wouldn't have to subsidize bio fuels anymore, which are wrecking our soil and killing our food prices.

So, will this have a negative effect on GDP growth, sure, in the short run. The cost of everything will go up because everything depends on transportation. In the long run however, we will benefit due to more efficient cities and transportation methods, less military spending, less amounts land destroyed by oilsand harvesting in Canada, and easier accessible sources for the future, and better soil for our future farmers.

What do you think? To me, this is the best and most effective environmental move the US could do for sustainability. Also, it would help balance our budget by increasing tax revenue and decreasing expenditures due to subsidization of green energy.

that would be the end of the middle class abruptly...
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Old 09-29-2013, 11:41 AM
 
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If you have to ask, you have a cognitive problem.
It was a rhetorical question. I was implying that your statement is completely illogical.
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Old 09-29-2013, 11:47 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Clueless call for gas tax increase!!!!!!! Stunningly obtuse suggestion in light of wasted taxpayer money.

Have any idea how much of a dedicated tax ends up where a politician says it will?

Especially the gas tax!! It goes into the general fund for obamaphones and Solyndra.

The oil companies pay the taxes that keeps the government afloat and yet becomes the straw dog of the prez candidate who claims energy prices will skyrocket under his energy plan yet to be revealed.

It is incomprehensible that anyone would suggest additional tax be collected in light of cosmic government waste. The right to vote should be reciinded for those who believe more taxation is the solution to all our problems.
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Old 09-29-2013, 11:50 AM
 
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Especially the gas tax!! It goes into the general fund for obamaphones and Solyndra.
Obamaphone, which is more accurately named Reaganphone is not paid by the general fund.
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Old 09-29-2013, 11:51 AM
 
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Disagree.
Which ones?
Any that take federal money to support their transportation infrastructure. Increase the state taxes (if needed), reduce the federal taxes. Federal government should have less responsibility.
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Old 09-29-2013, 11:51 AM
 
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It was a rhetorical question. I was implying that your statement is completely illogical.
It all DOES basically come down to the underlying criminal thinking of those who wish to tax those who don't want to pay. The criminals think they have the right to steal as long as they can dream up some stupid cause.
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