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Old 10-05-2013, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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this is why the public needs to be aware of jury nullification. if you feel a law or case is unjust you have the ability to vote not guilty regardless of what the law says. funny thing is your not allowed to notify the jury of this in your defence. another example of a perfect example for jury nullification is is the case of the 18 year old senior who almost went to prison for 30 years for statutory rape
Yes - Harrier cited that case when he gave a speech about jury nullification.
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Old 10-05-2013, 02:35 PM
 
Location: SoCal/PHX/HHI
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I think that at some point we, the people, will have to start shooting.
What are you waiting for? Go do it, or are you just all mouth?
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Old 10-05-2013, 02:37 PM
 
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Then your being absurd arguing on behalf of the cop. Just stop. YOU are the problem.
The sentence was mandatory ... nothing to do with the judge or the jury. Once Connely was found guilty then the mandatory sentencing rules kick in. Mandatory sentencing is wholly absurd but that is what voters wanted and what politicians gave them.
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Old 10-05-2013, 02:38 PM
 
Location: USA
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What are you waiting for? Go do it, or are you just all mouth?
He's talking about protecting our rights. Not murdering cops.


Do you understand the difference?
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Old 10-05-2013, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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I would have expected a hardcore red state like AZ to be outraged over this kind of policing. The government totally trashed this guy's property and Second Amendment rights.

Maybe everybody out there is afraid to speak up.
That last sentence said it all. People value the illusion of security over freedom.
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Old 10-05-2013, 02:39 PM
 
Location: All Over
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Jury nullification petitions against Police corruption need to start being circulated in all communities. People need to start becoming aware of the terrorist Police presence in this country and start to fight back.

We should not live in fear of our government.
agreed. if you bring up jury nullification in your defense you'll be sent to jail for contempt. there's a guy who's doing a big push to educate the public, he's got a youtube channel and they are always messing with him for trying to educate people


Julian Heicklen Talks About Jury Nullification Federal Courthouse West Palm Beach Florida 12-10-10 - YouTube
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Old 10-05-2013, 02:40 PM
 
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True - but that does not mean that the information was accurate.

The first thing that prosecutors learn one they are out of law school is how to lie.

That is how they win cases - because jurors are socially conditioned to think that prosecutors are the "good guys" and defense attorneys are the "bad guys".

The opposite is actually true.
Not only that, but for some prosecutors getting convictions (or guilty pleas) is how they measure success in their jobs.

"Nailed some slob for 10 and 1/2 years today. See you guys at the pub -- it's on me!"
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Old 10-05-2013, 02:44 PM
 
Location: USA
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Prison for profit. Highest incarceration rates in the WORLD. It's all connected.
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Old 10-05-2013, 02:45 PM
 
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What angers Harrier about this incident is that Connely did not act in a malicious, premeditated manner.

He had no criminal record and was asleep when he was awakened by a disturbance on his property.

He acted to defend the life of his wife, himself, and to protect his property, and for doing do he was tasred, arrested, tried, and convicted of a trumped up "crime" - all because some cop thought that he was too big for his britches.

Anyone who defends such an outrage is absolutely pathetic.
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Harrier would never be on a person's property without a legitimate reason.
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Then your being absurd arguing on behalf of the cop. Just stop. YOU are the problem.
what part of 'the cop was looking for a missing child" do you not understand? the cop was only talking to the wife in the driveway when the guy came out WAVING A GUN AROUND AND CURSING THE COP DEMANDING HE LEAVE THE PROPERTY. that is not giving any respect to the cop, in fact that could be construed as interfering with a police investigation, also a crime by the way. and dont forget about the 12 year old in the police car, was the cop just supposed to forget about him? how bad would this have been had the gun gone off while dumbass was waving it around and he shot the kid in the car, or his wife or child? and as noted we dont have all the evidence and witness testimony so we can only accept the jurys findings, and the found him guilty. its going to take a lot to change my mind about the events, like REAL evidence and not supposition.
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Old 10-05-2013, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Then your being absurd arguing on behalf of the cop. Just stop. YOU are the problem.
And you're arguing on the behalf of a demonstrable idiot.
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