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Don't you think they would have offered up some form of alternative to the Affordable Healthcare Act?
Instead, they have shrieked and wailed like 8 year olds, with the nuttiest amongst them comparing this to the end of the Republic and even slavery!
In the end, when this system starts to realize its potential and formerly uninsured Americans are covered and not threatened with bankruptcy in the event of an accident, people will be grateful, and I only hope that a majority of Americans remember what the Republicans offered in its place: a government shutdown, furloughed federal employees and closure of national parks and other federal lands.
Come to think of it, what legislation exactly have Republicans offered Americans since 2009? Have they actually done anything other than shriek damnation and ruination at every opportunity?
Paul Ryan has a plan and its similar to McCains plan to eliminate employer coverage and give everyone a tax credit of maybe $5,000 per family and allow insurance to be sold across state lines. He would eventually eliminate Medicare with Ryan Care and all seniors would get a voucher for say $800 per month and would have to purchase from insurance companies. Insurance companies would then be competing for seniors and would force hospitals and doctors to lower cost...that's the theory. The ACA works on a little bit of the same theory but somehow its all wrong when a dem does it and it great if its a republican.
Paul Ryan has a plan and its similar to McCains plan to eliminate employer coverage and give everyone a tax credit of maybe $5,000 per family and allow insurance to be sold across state lines. He would eventually eliminate Medicare with Ryan Care and all seniors would get a voucher for say $800 per month and would have to purchase from insurance companies. Insurance companies would then be competing for seniors and would force hospitals and doctors to lower cost...that's the theory. The ACA works on a little bit of the same theory but somehow its all wrong when a dem does it and it great if its a republican.
Absolutely wrong.
The ACA is about making you buy certain things against your will.
I'm no fan of Ryan's plan, but the idea behind it is to LET YOU MANAGE YOUR OWN MATTERS. To make your own choices.
If you want to just spend part of the 5K a year on just your medical bills, and accumulate what is left over, then that's your decision. IT IS YOUR RISK TO TAKE, not to be decided for you.
The whole point of Obamacare IS TO TAKE CHOICES FROM YOU. The other is TO RETURN SOME CHOICES TO YOU.
Don't you think they would have offered up some form of alternative to the Affordable Healthcare Act?
Instead, they have shrieked and wailed like 8 year olds, with the nuttiest amongst them comparing this to the end of the Republic and even slavery!
In the end, when this system starts to realize its potential and formerly uninsured Americans are covered and not threatened with bankruptcy in the event of an accident, people will be grateful, and I only hope that a majority of Americans remember what the Republicans offered in its place: a government shutdown, furloughed federal employees and closure of national parks and other federal lands.
Come to think of it, what legislation exactly have Republicans offered Americans since 2009? Have they actually done anything other than shriek damnation and ruination at every opportunity?
Worthless.
educate yourself my friend, and google republican health care plans before you post again. or better, let me do that for your;
Don't you think they would have offered up some form of alternative to the Affordable Healthcare Act?
Health care is intra-State Commerce, not Interstate Commerce.
Your own US Supreme Court said so just recently.
Which part of the Supreme Court ruling do you not understand?
Because health care is NOT Interstate Commerce, it is not within the purview of the federal government.
This is an issue that needs to be addressed by each individual State.
Perhaps you hadn't noticed, but there's no such thing as EU health care.....even the Europeans are smart enough to realize this is a State issue, to be handled at the State level, and not by some over-reaching centralized bureaucracy that is ignorant of reality.
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Originally Posted by odanny
In the end, when this system starts to realize its potential and formerly uninsured Americans are covered and not threatened with bankruptcy in the event of an accident, people will be grateful, and I only hope that a majority of Americans remember what the Republicans offered in its place: a government shutdown, furloughed federal employees and closure of national parks and other federal lands.
How many, um, "formerly uninsured Americans" were not covered?
50 Million, right?
"Health insurance expansions (10 to 13 percent): The expansion of health insurance increases health care cost per capita as people demand more health care when they are better insured. Health insurance has expanded in two ways: (1) by covering an increasing share of the population and (2) by covering each person more completely."
Neutral Source: GAO-13-281 PPACA and the Long-Term Fiscal Outlook, January 2013; Page 34
I have now defeated you by proving the ACA is not affordable, and that by expanding health insurance coverage, you cause the price of health care to increase continually.
In case you missed it, that is your own government dissing you.
And now your own government is going to diss you again....
"As personal income increases, people demand more and better goods and services, including health care. This means that holding other factors constant, as higher personal income increases the quantity and quality of care demanded, overall health care spending increases as well. GDP is a good indicator of the effect of increasing income on health care spending. When GDP is growing, many Americans experience increases in income and will demand more health care services."
Neutral Source: GAO-13-281 PPACA and the Long-Term Fiscal Outlook, January 2013
And yet again....what drives the cost of health care in the United States?
1] Technology up to 65%
2] Consumer Demand up to 36%
3] Insuring more people up to 13%
4] Price Inflation up to 19%
5] Administrative Costs up to 13%
6] Aging/Elderly up to 7%
Neutral Source: GAO-13-281 PPACA and the Long-Term Fiscal Outlook, January 2013
Your own government finally admitted what others and I had been so correct in stating for so many years....
Increasing the number of people insured will drive up the cost of health care....
That will compound Consumer Demand causing health care cost to rise even higher..
The increased demand will put greater stress on Technology, causing the price of Technology to rise, driving up the costs of health care even further...
That, plus increasing World Demand for the strategic metals and minerals that the US does not have, but desperately needs for use in health care, will only cause Technology to cost that much more, driving up the cost of health care that much more....
And all of that serves to increase Administrative costs, as attempts are made to maintain cash flows in order to pay health insurance claims.
There is nothing affordable about the ACA.
You cannot violate the Laws of Economics without suffering negative consequences.
Under the law, lifetime limits on most benefits are prohibited in any health plan or insurance policy issued or renewed on or after September 23, 2010.
No annual dollar limits are allowed on most covered benefits beginning January 1, 2014.
Entirely remove the federal government from ALL aspects of healthcare, and all involvement.
Problem solved.
Yea, right, that really solves the problem.
The federal government has not been involved in privatized healthcare for those under 62 and the problems are horrendous, now consider the national plans of Canada and Britain, and tell me if you can find anyone in either country who would trade their plans for one with no federal intervention.
The reality is everyone is going to need healthcare. Unlike auto insurance, you can take the bus or take the subway, but you eventually will require medical care. Predatory insurance providers who provide no tangible benefits remain in place under the ACA, because it did not go nearly far enough.
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