Bill O'Reilly to Dick Cheney "We didn't get anything from Iraq War" (Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell)

[ovcatto]

Originally Posted by boner

When Iraq attacked our ally Kuwait they funked up. When the refused to live up to the condition of the treaty or cease fire or what ever the UN called it we politley enforced for the rest of the world

Who should be thankful

What a crop of Chaney!

The only violation that Iraq had committed was having pulled out of the U.N. weapons inspection protocol which they ended PRIOR to the invasion of Iraq. The weapons inspectors were in Iraq and found no major violations of the U.N cease fire.

The war was totally unnecessary and the ONLY people happy about the outcome has been Iran (they got a Shia and Iran friendly regime), and China who got access to Iraq's vast oil resources.

[cruxan]

We didn't get anything from Iraq War" yes we did !!! thousands of dead soldiers and tens of thousand of injured soldiers, and tens of thousands of dead Iraqis, plus 3 trillion added to the deficit.. and a lot of pizzed of muslimes..

[Patton360]

Originally Posted by Screen

Yes, I'm sure any sane American won't deny the Iraq War was a bad idea.

That leaves Dick Cheney out.

[chuckmann]

Originally Posted by Screen

Yes, I'm sure any sane American won't deny the Iraq War was a bad idea.

More than that, the Iraq war was the result of total misinformation. Read with care:

The LIE that Started the Iraq War

Criticism, investigation, and damage control[edit]

In 2003, inspectors led by David Kay conducted additional investigation of Curveball's credibility. They found among other things that he placed last in his university class when he had claimed to place first, and that he had been jailed for embezzlement before fleeing to Germany. The former point is relevant because Curveball claimed to have been hired out of university to head Iraq's bioweapons program. That he had placed last in his class would cast considerable doubt on this claim.
In response to public criticism, U.S. president Bush initiated an investigative commission who released their report on March 31, 2005. Bush's investigative commission came to many conclusions including:
Curveball's German intelligence handlers saw him as "crazy ... out of control", his friends called him a "congenital liar", and a US physician working for the Defense Department who travelled to Germany to take blood samples seeking to discover if Anthrax spores were present was stunned to find the defector had shown up for medical tests with a "blistering hangover",[21] and he "might be an alcoholic".[22]
While there were many reports that Curveball was actually a relative (younger brother) of one of Ahmed Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress (INC) top aides,[9][23] the investigative commission stated that it was "unable to uncover any evidence that the INC or any other organization was directing Curveball."[24]
The Bush administration ignored evidence from the UN weapons inspectors that Curveball's claims were false. Curveball had identified a particular Iraqi facility as a docking station for mobile labs. Satellite photography had showed a wall made such access impossible, but it was theorised that this wall was temporary. "When United Nations Monitoring Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC) inspectors visited the site on February 9, 2003, they found that the wall was a permanent structure and could find nothing to corroborate Curveball's statements."[25] Instead, the inspectors found the warehouse to be used for seed processing.[26]
Blame[edit]
The Bush administration laid blame on the CIA, criticizing its officials for "failing to investigate" doubts about Curveball, which emerged after an October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate. In May 2004, over a year after the invasion of Iraq, the CIA concluded formally that Curveball's information was fabricated. Furthermore, on June 26, 2006, The Washington Post reported that "the CIA acknowledged that Curveball was a con artist who drove a taxi in Iraq and spun his engineering knowledge into a fantastic but plausible tale about secret bioweapons factories on wheels."[18]
On April 8, 2005, CIA Director Porter Goss ordered an internal review of the CIA in order to determine why doubts about Curveball's reliability were not forwarded to policy makers. Former CIA Director George Tenet and his former deputy, John E. McLaughlin, announced that they were not aware of doubts about Curveball's veracity before the war. However, Tyler Drumheller, the former chief of the CIA's European division, told the Los Angeles Times that "everyone in the chain of command knew exactly what was happening."

I dont know about anyone else, but I dont recall hearing any of this on right wing pro war hate radio. But check out these references:

References[edit]

Jump up ^ Bob Drogin, Greg Miller. Curveball' Debacle Reignites CIA Feud. The Los Angeles Times, April 2, 2005
^ Jump up to: a b c "Iraq war source's name revealed". BBC News. 2007-11-02.
Jump up ^ "The Record on CURVEBALL: Declassified Documents and Key Participants Show the Importance of Phony Intelligence in the Origins of the Iraq War". National Security Archive, The George Washington University. 2007-11-07. Retrieved 2008-04-17.
Jump up ^ Drogin, Bob (Spring, 2008). "Determining the Reliability of a Key CIA Source". Nieman Foundation for Journalism at Harvard University. Archived from the original on 2008-04-21. Retrieved 2008-04-16.
Jump up ^ George W. Bush. "Third State of the Union Address". "From three Iraqi defectors we know that Iraq, in the late 1990s, had several mobile biological weapons labs. These are designed to produce germ warfare agents, and can be moved from place to a place to evade inspectors. Saddam Hussein has not disclosed these facilities. He's given no evidence that he has destroyed them."
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^ Jump up to: a b "Faulty Intel Source "Curve Ball" Revealed"". CBS News 60 Minutes. 2007-11-01.
^ Jump up to: a b Chulov, Martin and Pidd, Helen (2011-02-15) Defector admits to WMD lies that triggered Iraq war, The Guardian
^ Jump up to: a b Vest, Jason (2005-04-07). "Big Lies, Blind Spies, and Vanity Fair". The Village Voice. Retrieved 2007-07-24. "Footnote 274 [of the Iraq Intelligence Commission] elaborates, explaining that "when [DIA] pressed for access to Curveball, [BND] said that Curveball disliked Americans and that he would refuse to speak to them.""
^ Jump up to: a b c Drogin, Bob and Goetz, John (2005-11-20). "How U.S. Fell Under the Spell of 'Curveball'". Los Angeles Times. Retrieved 2007-07-23.
Jump up ^ Drogin, Bob, Curveball, Random House, 2007, pp 231, 268, 282
Jump up ^ Drogin, Bob, Curveball, Random House, 2007, p 35
^ Jump up to: a b "Complete timeline of the 2003 invasion of iraq". cooperativeresearch.org. 2005-11-20. Retrieved 2007-07-23. "He speaks to his BND debriefers in Arabic through a translator, and also in broken English and German. Curveball says that he worked for Iraq's Military Industrial Commission after graduating first in his class from engineering school at Baghdad University in 1994 (He actually graduated last (see 1994)). A year later, he says, he was assigned to work for "Dr. Germ", British-trained microbiologist Rihab Rashid Taha, to construct mobile biological weapons labs. But Curveball never says that he actually produced biological weapons or witnessed anyone else doing so and the BND is unable to verify his claims. Curveball's statements are recorded in German, shared with a local Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) team, and sent to the US, where they are translated into English for analysis at the DIA's directorate for human intelligence in Clarendon, Va. "This was not substantial evidence," one senior German intelligence official later recalls in an interview with the Los Angeles Times. "We made clear we could not verify the things he said." The reports are then sent to the CIA's Weapons Intelligence, Non-Proliferation and Arms Control Center (WINPAC), whose experts analyze the data and share it with artists who use Curveball's accounts to render sketches."
Jump up ^ Drogin, Bob, Curveball, Random House, 2007, p.12: "it was nearly Christmas 1999"
Jump up ^ Drogin, Bob, Curveball, Random House, 2007, p.31: "senior BND officials decided to bar the CIA from talking to their new source", p.36: "Curveball hates Americans, they told the visiting DIA team. He absolutely refuses to meet any Americans. ... Sorry, they said, he's completely off limits."
Jump up ^ Chulov, Martin and Pidd, Helen Defector admits to WMD lies that triggered Iraq war, The Guardian: "After [Powell's speech at the UN], Janabi said he called his handler at the BND and accused the secret service of breaking an agreement that they would not share anything he had told them with another country"
Jump up ^ Drogin, Bob, Curveball, Random House, 2007.
^ Jump up to: a b Warrick, Joby (2006-06-25). "Warnings on WMD 'Fabricator' Were Ignored, Ex-CIA Aide Says". The Washington Post. Retrieved 2007-07-23.
Jump up ^ Pike, John (2006-12-04). "Mobile Biological Weapons Facilities - Winnebagos of Death". globalsecurity.org. Retrieved 2007-07-24. "From January 2000 to September 2001, the Defense Intelligence Agency's (DIA) Human Intelligence disseminated almost 112 reports from Curveball regarding mobile BW facilities in Iraq. These reports did not come directly from Curveball, but were transferred through a "foreign liaison.""
Jump up ^ Manden som løj verden i krig (The man who lied the world into war), Danish State Radio, 2010-04-21, retrieved 2010-04-26]
Jump up ^ Bob Drogin, Curveball (Ebury Press, 2007), p.70.
Jump up ^ Helmore, Edward (2005-04-03). "US relied on 'drunken liar' to justify war". London: The Observer. Retrieved 2007-07-24.
Jump up ^ Harding, Luke (2004-04-02). "Germans accuse US over Iraq weapons claim". London: The Guardian. Retrieved 2007-07-24. "It has now emerged that Curveball is the brother of a top aide of Ahmad Chalabi, the pro-western Iraqi former exile with links to the Pentagon."
Jump up ^ Miller, Greg; Drogin, Bob (2005-04-01). "Intelligence Analysts Whiffed on a 'Curveball'". Los Angeles Times. Retrieved 2007-07-24.
Jump up ^ Linzer, Dafna (2005-04-03). "Panel: U.S. Ignored Work of U.N. Arms Inspectors". The Washington Post. Retrieved 2007-07-24.
Jump up ^ Drogin, Bob, Curveball, Random House, 2007, pp 170-177.
Jump up ^ Chulov, Martin (2010-12-03). "Iraqi hit by Curveball in $10,000 scam". The Sydney Morning Herald.
Jump up ^ Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi
Jump up ^ The Man Who Lied the World Into War | IDFA 2013
Jump up ^ http://www.dr.dk/Salg/DRsales/Progra...rrent_Affairs_ and_Politics/20100223124446.htm

This is EXACTLY why we need to reign in Government.

[chuckmann]

Originally Posted by petch751

Care to report the other things he said? Oh that's right you are just posting what is convenient for your agenda? I saw the segment too.

Spoken as a right wing hater, I suggest you lookup Curveball, the ONLY source of the information that Iraq had WMD's. I have posted on this thread. READ FOR YOURSELF the truth.

SOURCE

Looking forward to your response.

[sour cream]

We gained over $3 a gallon of gas! It was $1 before the war. We are still paying the piper for it

[Globe199]

Originally Posted by sour cream

We gained over $3 a gallon of gas! It was $1 before the war. We are still paying the piper for it

Yeah, and weren't Iraq's oil reserves supposed to pay for the war? How'd that work out?

[Wendell Phillips]

Dick Cheney got a great deal from the Iraq war.

[skoro]

Originally Posted by Surftown831

I was just watching O'Reilly's interview with Cheney and I thought Bill would be throwing him softballs but he didn't. He came at him pretty strong asking what he thought we actually gained from the Iraq War and he didn't seemed satisfied with Dick's answers. The best part was when Dick said because Obama pulled out of Iraq now the region is a threat for terrorism again and Bill said "So then we didn't get anything out of the war, right?" Dick fumbled for words and Bill again reiterated that if the country again poses a threat of Al Qaeda terror networks, the war and the money and lives it cost was a waste.

I stopped watching O'Reilly a few years ago because the whole program devolved into a show all about him, and he's just not that interesting.

Sounds like he gets a glimmer of the old Bill back once in a great while.

[Seabass Inna Bun]

Originally Posted by boner

When Iraq attacked our ally Kuwait they funked up. When the refused to live up to the condition of the treaty or cease fire or what ever the UN called it we politley enforced for the rest of the world

Garbage. The claims the Bush Torture Administration made were false.

Who should be thankful

Fat chance.