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Who the heck is talking about a mole removal? geeze My plastic surgen who did a wonderful job of removing my entire bottom lip and rebuilding a new one would remove a stupid mole for free.I pay cash and get great service and discounts to boot. at my age I ain't scared to die and with all the ins premiums I saved my daughters will have a great inheritance.i don't sit around thinking about Me and how I would want to be kept alive as a vegetable while the money doctors milked my ins and estate.seen it to often
If I paid cash for my daughter's tumor removal, it would have easily reached over $300K. Some insurance is smart. I have issue with Obamacare and purchasing things I simply do NOT need.
So you think any policy that doesn't cover medical care you KNOW you'll never need--such as coverage for maternity care and drug abuse treatment when you're a 55-year old whose kids are in their 30s--is substandard?
did you know that pre-obamacare, that they were paying for these "medical care" that they'll never need. Your policies cover these procedures whether you get them or not.
That's why its called insurance. to ensure that you'll be covered if YOU ever need to have that medical care.
And yes, a 55 year old woman can still get pregnant, if she hasn't gone through menopause yet
A 55 year old man, can still have sex and still get women pregnant.
I don't know what is so hard to understand? This is to help those from abusing the Emergency room and treating their ailments when they happen, and refocus them into PREVENTATIVE care, to catch ailments or issues BEFORE They become an issue and too expensive for that person to pay (because most ER issues will have to be picked up by the tax payers in the end).
In the end, this will help reduce medical costs, because the cost is shifted BACK to the person, and not on the tax payers. And revert ER back to EMERGENCY needs , instead of treating people for the freaking common cold or occasional stomach ache.
The fact is more people voted for the president who said he'll implement ACA than for the candidate who said he'll strike it down. The law is the law and you can't have unpasteurized milk no matter how much you cry about it. You have to have mushrooms on your pizza. Now have your supreme pizza with pasteurized milk and enjoy it like the rest of us who don't mind doing our part to improve healthcare in this country. Don't like supreme pizza? Your spoiled brat strategy of holding the country hostage failed bigtime, so do it the time-honored way, vote your R's in to get your old crusty pizzas back.
He said he'd 'replace' that POS 0care. That's why I and many others didn't vote.
We want it GONE, not replaced or reformed. GONE! Health insurance is NOT the government's business.
and also, many of these companies rather cancel policies and roll people into new ones that comply, instead of changing current policies to try and meet the minimum requirements in Obamacare.
What we don't see and hear from these propaganda claims, are the re-enrollment because of meeting the new requirements
You cant change a contract without the consumers consent so no, they cant change the policy willy nilly..
did you know that pre-obamacare, that they were paying for these "medical care" that they'll never need. Your policies cover these procedures whether you get them or not.
That's why its called insurance. to ensure that you'll be covered if YOU ever need to have that medical care.
And yes, a 55 year old woman can still get pregnant, if she hasn't gone through menopause yet
A 55 year old man, can still have sex and still get women pregnant.
I don't know what is so hard to understand? This is to help those from abusing the Emergency room and treating their ailments when they happen, and refocus them into PREVENTATIVE care, to catch ailments or issues BEFORE They become an issue and too expensive for that person to pay (because most ER issues will have to be picked up by the tax payers in the end).
In the end, this will help reduce medical costs, because the cost is shifted BACK to the person, and not on the tax payers. And revert ER back to EMERGENCY needs , instead of treating people for the freaking common cold or occasional stomach ache.
Please quote for us ONE TIME, that Obama said that we would have to all pay more, in order to get rid of substandard policies.. JUST ONE TIME..
"Under this assumption, the Departments’ mid-range estimate is that 66 percent of small employer plans and 45 percent of large employer plans will relinquish their grandfather status by the end of 2013. The low-end estimates are for 49 percent and 34 percent of small and large employer plans, respectively, to have relinquished grandfather status, and the high-end estimates are 80 percent and 64 percent, respectively."
And, YES, Obama and the Dems LIED TO and BETRAYED the American public.
Too soon to rep you for such a good catch. Even I missed that one.
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Originally Posted by theunbrainwashed
The thing that the RWNJ blogs are not saying.....
The things LNs are not saying....
American Hospital Assn
HEAVY HITTER The American Hospital Association represents 37,000 individual members at more than 5,000 hospitals and health care systems.
View totals for other cycles:
CONTRIBUTIONS
$2,383,767 ranks 137 of 20,981
LOBBYING
$19,251,200 (2012)
$20,823,341 (2011) ranks 5 of 4,368 in 2012
OUTSIDE SPENDING
$1,912,675 ranks 47 of 296
The American Hospital Association gave....
$779 Million to Obama for America 2008
$260 Million to DNC 2008
$428 Million to RNC 2008
Ask the states, they are the ones who regulated insurance before the Obamacare days.....
Uh, no, wrong, the American Hospital Association ---- see above --- regulated insurance via its lobbying efforts.
The American Hospital Association lobbied Congress and the IRS to alter the tax code in order to stifle competition, because insurance companies...using actuarial science, were offering less expensive plans the American Hospital Association owned Blue Cross at the time.
The change in the 1954 IRS Tax Code...
"Premiums paid by an employer on policies of group life insurance without cash surrender value covering the lives of his employees, or on policies of group health or accident insurance...do not constitute salary if such premiums are deductible by the employer under Section 23(a) of the IRS Code."
Source: Public Law 83-591, August 16, 1954; Internal Revenue Code of 1954, Section 106. For more information on the 1954 tax code.
...prohibited insurance companies from stipulating a value....a stipulated value is a necessity in order to be insurance.
That shifted the entire health insurance industry to fee-for-service, which is what the American Hospital Association's Blue Cross was doing under the Community Rating Scheme.
The American Hospital Association's Blue Cross had previously lobbied State legislatures to gain the "enabling laws" or "enabling legislation" allowing the Blue Cross to avoid being regulated by State insurance commissions....which gave the American Hospital Association a competitive advantage over insurance companies.....which is what monopolies do...seek competitive advantages.
If you were truly unbrainwashed, you'd know that.
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Another observance about that silly link you showed is that millions of those people who will have a changing plan will be getting plans that are BETTER!
Better according to whom?
Obama? You? Neither of you have any right or business telling me what is better for me.
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I'm with you. Better that a prez lie to do what's best for the people than allow them to be dupes of large insurers.
So what exactly do you have against Bush the Younger?
I ain't paying Obama $900 a month till he promises to keep me alive forever but he will not negociate he is the president of NO raging a war on old people . That was my impersonation of a Obama voter not getting his way.
So, OP, how many of those policies are because their plans were substandard pre-Obamcare? So far, there's various links collected throughout these crocodile tear topics that suggest policy cancellations are due to nothing more than those plans not meeting minimum requirements, and that those companies are urging consumers to re-enroll in new ACA compliant policies. Doesn't really jive with your, "Obamacare obliterated your health plan" in the way that you intended to mean
Good point unbrainwashed!
As a middle-aged male, I definitely need a policy that includes maternity care just in case I get knocked-up.
FYI, if you ever have something more serious than a mole removal, you might find that the bill could cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
If you are so unfortunately hit with a bill of hundreds of thousands, then Obamacare will not save you either. The bronze plan only cover 60%. Factoring that going through the "insurance" plan always cost more, so you will be paying virtually the same if not more
Stupid are the people with no alternatives to ACA and all hate. So what how many are opposed to Obamacare. It's the law, and helps people no matter what you say.
Sounds a lot like... "Stupid are the people with no alternatives to slavery and all hate. So what how many are opposed to slavery. It's the law, and helps people no matter what you say."
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You cant change a contract without the consumers consent so no, they cant change the policy willy nilly..
