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Old 06-25-2014, 12:49 PM
 
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So what's your solution to health care for the deserving poor? Because there's really two opposing viewpoints to healthcare as a right for all. A. A right for none [unless you're wealthy or lucky]. B. Or a right for some - but who decides?

Which is it for you? And if B, who do you think should decide?
The poor get HC through medicaid. Stop the hysterics.

 
Old 06-25-2014, 12:50 PM
 
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The poor get HC through medicaid. Stop the hysterics.
Goodness. I ask a simple question and get the "hysterics" answer.

I take it that means you know your response is wrong, then. Not to mention that every single one of you cons want to END Medicaid because it's "stealing" from the Noble Conservatives.

So, what's your actual solution? [she said, hysterically.]
 
Old 06-25-2014, 12:52 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Have you ever wondered why employers whose business has nothing to do with health care (which is most of them) suddenly become insurance brokers out of the blue?

Whe I shop for insurance, Joes' Landscaping, Gravel, and Lawnmower Service is not high on my list as a viable provider. So why do Joe's employees go to him to get their health care insurance? Do they know something about Joe's secret expertise on health insurance and insurance companies, which has evaded the rest of us?

Obviously, Joe doesn't have any particular insurance clairvoyance or earthly expertise in the subject. He's a hell of a landscaper, though, been doing it all his life, and his customers keep coming back.

You got it - the only reason he ever touches the duties of insurance brokerage, is because of government regulations. When you find people doing something bizarre that makes no sense (such as a professional landscaper and lawnmower greasemonkey acting as an insurance broker), the reason nearly always turns out to be that one: Government.

I wouldn't expect my local State Farm agent to be able to get the odd crawling vine weed out of my lawn, any more than I expect Joe to be able to provide me the best deal on insurance that would suit my needs and budget. But it seems that government DOES expect Joe to be the best broker... and so makes laws to put my local State arm agent at a disavantage.

Don't bother asking where the Fed government gets the constitutional authority to make those particular laws. You and I already know the answer to that: They don't.

But people have become hooked on the idea that insurance is "free" or "highly discounted" from their employer. Liberals are counting on the sticker shock that would hit them if the regulations were finally removed and other people's tax money was no longer quietly funnelled to paying their insurance costs. They're absolutely relying on their negative reaction to government no longer pulling the wool over their eyes. So much so that they go around asking, "Do you know how much you would pay if today's arrangements were to go away???"
 
Old 06-25-2014, 12:59 PM
 
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So get together with your Liberal/Progressive groups and start a NON profit insurance system. There are MANY MANY billionaire Progressives out there, don't they want to help? Oh yeah, they want SOMEONE ELSE to do it.
We're trying. It's called Universal Health Care. Or Single Payer. Take your pick.
 
Old 06-25-2014, 01:01 PM
 
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Healthcare should be a right. People can get by without a house if they are savvy enough, same with a car. But, you will inevitably get sick. Is this your fault for having trillions of bacteria crawling over your skin, even right now? No, it's not. This healthcare is not a right thing should have gone to the grave a long time ago. Luckily, the march is on for having true universal healthcare like the rest of the civilized world. It is the right thing to do, everything else is just arguing semantics and political ideology. Your entire post is nothing but a rant on political ideology
If health care is my right, then who provides it to me if I live out in the middle of no where? This is as silly as claiming food and housing is my right, and I can have no job, and no aspirations to getting a job, and government must provide me with a nice home, nutricious food and free health care.

Now you want the same inept clowns who can't run the Affordable Health Care act, and cna't run health care for our vets, to run universal health care for the entire nation. Please wake up, our government workers are not the super humans you seem to think they are. There is no way that a few bureaucrats can predict the health care needs for 330 million people.
 
Old 06-25-2014, 01:01 PM
 
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If health care is my right, then who provides it to me if I live out in the middle of no where? This is as silly as claiming food and housing is my right, and I can have no job, and no aspirations to getting a job, and government must provide mw with a nicehome, nutricious food and free health care.

Now you want the same inept clowns who can't run the Affordable Health Care act, and cna't run health care for our vets. Please wake up, our government workers are not the super humans you seem to think they are. There is no way that a few bureaucrats can predict the health care needs for 330 million people.
LOL, you're right. I know just who to ask!

Wealthy insurance executives!
 
Old 06-25-2014, 01:02 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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We're trying. It's called Universal Health Care. Or Single Payer. Take your pick.
Sounds good.

One of your rules is, of course, that people who want to participate in your scheme can, and people who don't want to, don't have to. Right?

If not, why not?

Keep in mind that there is no right to health care.
 
Old 06-25-2014, 01:03 PM
 
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Sounds good.

One of your rules is, of course, that people who want to participate in your scheme can, and people who don't want to, don't have to. Right?

If not, why not?

Keep in mind that there is no right to health care.
No thanks. What I keep in mind that anything you say is wrong, ill-informed and venal.
 
Old 06-25-2014, 01:05 PM
 
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Goodness. I ask a simple question and get the "hysterics" answer.

I take it that means you know your response is wrong, then. Not to mention that every single one of you cons want to END Medicaid because it's "stealing" from the Noble Conservatives.

So, what's your actual solution? [she said, hysterically.]
They HAVE no solution. They have lost on this issue as much as they lost the gay marriage issue. They have put forth no realistic, viable alternatives to the ACA. The only thing left is single-payer. Americans won't tolerate going back to the insurance fiefdom that existed pre-Obamacare.

Conservatives LOST. Their attempts to make up for that crushing defeat using distractions and straw men won't work. They lost, pure and simple. And that fact becomes clearer with every passing day.
 
Old 06-25-2014, 01:05 PM
 
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We're trying. It's called Universal Health Care. Or Single Payer. Take your pick.
Do it WITHOUT Government intervention. Open an insurance business.
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