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Old 11-11-2013, 09:11 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Obamacare forces people who earn more, to hand resources to people who earn less. The excuse is that they need it for health insurance. Is "robbing Peter to pay Paul" this way, something government should EVER engage in?

Is this a better idea than using the same amount of effort to persuade people to give voluntarily, by setting up charitable organizations, having funds drives and marathons etc.? It's an effort that has never been pushed as hard as the push for "robbing Peter to pay Paul". Especially considering that forcing people to give you things, is theft... and when officially sanctioned by government, becomes a direct violation of the rights government is supposed to safeguard?

Is this theft and violation of fundamental rights by the U.S. Government, a "better idea" than the alternatives they've never really tried?
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:27 AM
 
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:50 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Obamacare forces people who earn more, to hand resources to people who earn less. The excuse is that they need it for health insurance. Is "robbing Peter to pay Paul" this way, something government should EVER engage in?
Unequivocal answer: NO. That applies to taxes, as well.

I've posted the explanation why, here:
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Other countries' taxes are highly regressive - Washington Post

The Europeans want their social programs, but they're willing to pay for them. Left-leaning Americans want our country to have European-style social programs, but they want someone else to pay for them.

Notice, too, that the countries that have regressive tax systems also have far less income inequality. I've previously explained why our progressive tax system actually creates an incentive for the government to promote highly unequal incomes. The more the top 1% earns, the more tax revenue the government collects. More here:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/28408475-post977.html

Economist Anatole Kaletsky states the same:
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Kaletsky argues that over-reliance on progressives taxes creates “a perverse incentive for governments to promote income inequality. If the solvency of the state and the ability to fund basic services for the poorest people in society depends on the rich getting even richer, it is tempting for even the most progressive politicians to support widening inequalities.”
The liberal case for regressive taxation - Salon.com

Many Americans don't understand that very basic concept and therefore are firmly entrenched in demanding the U.S.'s progressive tax system soak the rich, which by its very nature depends on keeping the income gap as wide as possible.
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Old 11-11-2013, 10:08 AM
 
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No.
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Old 11-11-2013, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Should we also make taxes voluntary too?
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Old 11-11-2013, 10:12 AM
 
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Should we also make taxes voluntary too?
yes.

Taxes should be based on consumption. A retail sales tax.
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Old 11-11-2013, 10:14 AM
 
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Should we also make taxes voluntary too?
Why not just go with the European-style regressive tax models?



They have the social welfare programs you claim to want too, like national healthcare.
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Old 11-11-2013, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The USG constantly does it and justify it each and every time.

The original intent of the job of the Federal Government has grown to the point of where state government is going to become meaningless.
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Old 11-11-2013, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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yes.

Taxes should be based on consumption. A retail sales tax.
Then there would need to be the creation of a Federal Sales Tax on top of State and local sales taxes. Of course when that happened, we would be officially a consumer based and reliant economy.
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Old 11-11-2013, 10:30 AM
 
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Then there would need to be the creation of a Federal Sales Tax on top of State and local sales taxes. Of course when that happened, we would be officially a consumer based and reliant economy.
Are you made of straw, and have a funnel for a hat?
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