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What the ACA-blindloyalists fail to see is that changing the ENTIRE system wasn't necessary. It would have been more efficient to weed out the fraud on medicaid (yes, I realize that politicians likely profit from the fraud, but it's time to clean house) and add those "uninsured" to medicaid.
The resultant mess will, as you pointed out, result in hardly anyone "saving money" on their insurance. If anything, the premiums that do decrease will be offset by increases in deductibles/out-of-pocket expenses.
People with common sense would have realized that there's no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but as we all know, politicians are neither "people" or "people with common sense".
The purpose of Obamacare was to provide "affordable" health care coverage for EVERYONE. The joke is in the word "affordable". If you are low income and qualify for Medicaid the cost of coverage to the individual/family can be from zero the a basic low monthly payment, no or low deductible, subsidized by the government, which in reality is being funded by the taxpayer, who can "afford" to subsidize free health care coverage to those who can't afford it.
About 1 out of every 5 Oregon ins are on food stamps due to the high demand of rural and small town poor Oregonians. If you ever make it outside of Portland, you will notice the rest of the state is rural, wooded, and small towns. Also, food stamps don't have an association to progressive or conservative seeing the highest percentage of food stamps are in conservative parts of the state..
If you don't think there is a large amount of food stamp, welfare, and underemployment in Portland than you aren't paying attention. Additionally, there are plenty of rural blue counties in this state like Clatsop that aren't very well off.
Finally, the largest percentage of food stamp use in Oregon is in Portland and Eugene, why?, because that's where most of the people live.
If you don't think there is a large amount of food stamp, welfare, and underemployment in Portland than you aren't paying attention. Additionally, there are plenty of rural blue counties in this state like Clatsop that aren't very well off.
Finally, the largest percentage of food stamp use in Oregon is in Portland and Eugene, why?, because that's where most of the people live.
In you attempt to blame the high usage on the blue part of Oregon, you ignore the high usage in the rest of the red state part. I would appreciate it if you didn't try and make this a red verse blue garbage when there are plenty of poor Oregonians in need.
In you attempt to blame the high usage on the blue part of Oregon, you ignore the high usage in the rest of the red state part. I would appreciate it if you didn't try and make this a red verse blue garbage when there are plenty of poor Oregonians in need.
I'm not caving to emotional appeals. You were the first to reference the political nature. I just said I found it shocking that it was so pervasive in a progressive state.
I'm not caving to emotional appeals. You were the first to reference the political nature. I just said I found it shocking that it was so pervasive in a progressive state.
And I corrected you that Oregon is a very balanced state when you look at a state as a whole, and that it is the small towns and rural areas that are most in need, so I have no problem with them getting the assistance they need regardless of how they vote. If you think only people in the blue parts use food stamps, then you would be wrong.
So if you could, keep your stupid partisan point of view out of it. We all know how much you have a distaste for the Port landers you live around.
And I corrected you that Oregon is a very balanced state when you look at a state as a whole, and that it is the small towns and rural areas that are most in need, so I have no problem with them getting the assistance they need regardless of how they vote.
It's not balanced at all. 54.5-42.7 in 2012 presidential elections for Obama. Democratic governor and democratic majorities in both houses. It's not balanced, but whatever.
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If you think only people in the blue parts use food stamps, then you would be wrong.
I don't think that. I didn't even insinuate that.
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So if you could, keep your stupid partisan point of view out of it.
Going forward, I will be sure to keep my partisan point of view out of the politics forum.
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We all know how much you have a distaste for the Port landers you live around.
If you want to consider the expression of my valid criticisms and observations as "hating Portland," than that's all on you.
Not surprising. One of the biggest surprises for me when I moved here was how much poverty is pervasive in Oregon. I think 20% of the state is on food stamps. You don't usually associate these issues with "progressive" Pacific NW states.
Oregon embraces the down on your luck groups. It is very easy (and "profitable" in a sense) to be homeless here. The amount of services available (food stamps, shelters, assistance organizations) is amazing to me. Which is also why (aside from mild temps) Portland is the #1 destination spot for homeless folks. In Eugene there is almost a subculture in the street families. They have their dogs, their instruments, their tents, their backpacks, etc. etc. I mean, if they dont have to work and they get this stuff provided to them for free..why not?
About 1 out of every 5 Oregon ins are on food stamps due to the high demand of rural and small town poor Oregonians. If you ever make it outside of Portland, you will notice the rest of the state is rural, wooded, and small towns. Also, food stamps don't have an association to progressive or conservative seeing the highest percentage of food stamps are in conservative parts of the state..
No thanks to the libs who destroyed almost the entire rural economy of Oregon and have since begun desperately to ruin the rest of the state.
And I corrected you that Oregon is a very balanced state when you look at a state as a whole, and that it is the small towns and rural areas that are most in need, so I have no problem with them getting the assistance they need regardless of how they vote. If you think only people in the blue parts use food stamps, then you would be wrong.
So if you could, keep your stupid partisan point of view out of it. We all know how much you have a distaste for the Port landers you live around.
Lol....what are you talking about? Where in Portland do you live?
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