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Old 12-31-2013, 10:55 AM
 
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1. The average american working where? See that is the sneaky part in Texas? or NYC pay? Markets range on that one.
2. Most times the H1B visa holder in IT is only coming to learn the job then go home to teach it to his co workers so they can do it remotely IE IT helpdesk or IT operations which includes many high paid jobs here in the US. Email support, server support etc.
1. It is the average salary in that industry, in that location.
2. It may be true, but it does not change the fact that many have a US degree. If you visit some computer science department, you will find most master students are Indians and Chinese.
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Old 12-31-2013, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Florida
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1. The average american working where? See that is the sneaky part in Texas? or NYC pay? Markets range on that one.
2. Most times the H1B visa holder in IT is only coming to learn the job then go home to teach it to his co workers so they can do it remotely IE IT helpdesk or IT operations which includes many high paid jobs here in the US. Email support, server support etc.
The area is included in the 'prevailing wage' calculator. In Atlanta H1B Systems Analyst would be getting up to $90K. Not too bad.
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Old 12-31-2013, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Austin
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According to "The Economist", Chinese and Indian immigrants founded more than half of all high tech companies in Silicon Valley. Immigrants founded Google, Intel, Ebay and Yahoo. Immigrants contributed to more than a quarter of all global patent applications in the US. Immigrant companies in 2006 employed over 450,000 workers and generated $52 Billion in revenue.

Instead of restricting H1B visas, we should increase them massively, starting with any foreign student who graduates from an American university. That may be the type of stimulus this country needs!
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Old 12-31-2013, 11:05 AM
 
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Engineering is not a particularly prestigious field of career in the US, compared to finance, medicine, law etc.
However in some developing countries, engineers are much more prestigious than lawyers, bankers, and even doctors.
e.g. In China the presidents and premiers in the past often have a degree in engineering.

Anyway that is a reason why those countries produce more workers in those fields.
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Old 12-31-2013, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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There are all kinds of people in America who could be trained for those jobs. And a lot of the Indian H1Bs don't know what the hell they're doing either.
Also, there are a lot of trained American IT workers available looking for work because their jobs were shipped outside the country.
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Old 12-31-2013, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The area is included in the 'prevailing wage' calculator. In Atlanta H1B Systems Analyst would be getting up to $90K. Not too bad.
But many US companies go through consulting firms rather than hire the H1-B directly.
And that's a contract and the consulting firm pays them differently.
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Old 12-31-2013, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Florida
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But many US companies go through consulting firms rather than hire the H1-B directly.
And that's a contract and the consulting firm pays them differently.
They are bound by the same laws.
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Old 12-31-2013, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Also, there are a lot of trained American IT workers available looking for work because their jobs were shipped outside the country.
Yup..I watched the mass firings going on starting in Jan 2009.
My own job went to India when I retired.

My old dept of 25 Americans got whittled down to 1 American manager managing 24 techs all located in India over the course of 3 years.

While the IT offshoring started in the mid to late 90's it really picked up after the 2008 crash.
HP just announced they need to lay off 5000 more workers than they originally thought.
Profit margins are too slim these days.
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Old 12-31-2013, 11:17 AM
 
Location: PA
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According to "The Economist", Chinese and Indian immigrants founded more than half of all high tech companies in Silicon Valley. Immigrants founded Google, Intel, Ebay and Yahoo. Immigrants contributed to more than a quarter of all global patent applications in the US. Immigrant companies in 2006 employed over 450,000 workers and generated $52 Billion in revenue.

Instead of restricting H1B visas, we should increase them massively, starting with any foreign student who graduates from an American university. That may be the type of stimulus this country needs!

Define "founded" google, intel and ebay and yahoo and I'm not sure you understand the difference between HB1 visa and those who came here like when they were 10 or when their parents moved here!! They also had CO founder AMERICANS!! you know the country that promotes capitalism for the exception of maybe google. Nothing wrong with immigration and being an American citizen I can assure you these founders were Americans not Hb1 visa imports.

How about we let them come here and live here and they apply for US citizen ship.
Just remove the Hb1 status and pay them normal US economic prices lets see how that works for US companies because for them its about cutting labor costs just like if we shipped in Mexicans do to all the fast food work and removed every other American and paid them all min wage including the store managers and district managers to save money.
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Old 12-31-2013, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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They are bound by the same laws.
Sure but who is going to report them ? The company paying the low contract price ?
There are always ways around the laws.
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