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Old 02-25-2014, 06:07 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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When a government gets so powerful that it can do whatever it wants, it's too big to exist. Here is a good example;
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In 2009 Buckyballs, a desk toy comprised of tiny, powerful magnets, started flying off the shelves and into the shopping baskets of fidgety-handed customers. Serial entrepreneur Craig Zucker, the product's creator, saw it reach $10 million in sales that year. By 2009 Maxfield & Oberton, the company Zucker co-founded, had grown its distribution network to 5,000 stores. Two years later, the mini-magnets were still gaining market share, and People named them one of the five hottest trends of 2011.

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The Feds vs. Craig Zucker - Reason.com

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Old 02-25-2014, 06:13 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Now that government has a say so in your heath by weighing cost, you are going to see them start banning a lot of things Americans use to be free to do.
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Old 02-25-2014, 06:26 AM
 
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Your numbers are way wrong, the number of ER visits was 1700 during that time period. A quick Google search will back up that number with many doctors reporting seeing the issues several times a month. The ingestion of these magnets can be fatal and surgery is commonly needed to remove the balls . Nor is this limited children, teen and young adults have also swallowed them.

It should also be noted that the other companies that made these products voluntary recalled them.

This is clearly a case of the CPSC doing what it is supposed to do.

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Old 02-25-2014, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Your numbers are way wrong, the number of ER visits was 1700 during that time period. A quick Google search will back up that number with many doctors reporting seeing the issues several times a month. The ingestion of these magnets can be fatal and surgery is commonly needed to remove the balls . Nor is this limited children, teen and young adults have also swallowed them.

It should also be noted that the other companies that made these products voluntary recalled them.

This is clearly a case of the CPSC doing what it is supposed to do.
No, it's clearly a case of the CPSC abusing their power. Millions of products are dangerous when ingested. We cannot live in a society without risk.

Here are the facts from Wikipedia;

" The Centers for Disease Control reported 33 cases requiring surgery and one death. The magnets have been swallowed by both toddlers and teens (who were using the magnets to pretend to have tongue piercings). Defenders of the toy say that the rate of injury is approximately 1 injury per 100,000 Buckyball sets and less than 1 injury per 21.5 million individual magnet pieces. The magnets are marketed to adults, with labels warning of their danger to children."

This is clearly an abuse of power. If we banned all products with the same stats as Buckyballs, we would have no swimming pools, no bicycles, no football games and thousands of other products would be banned.
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Old 02-25-2014, 08:28 AM
 
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Well, I guess the product is okay and they are abusing their power as long as they hurt other people.

/Sarcasm
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Old 02-25-2014, 08:31 AM
 
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Your numbers are way wrong, the number of ER visits was 1700 during that time period. A quick Google search will back up that number with many doctors reporting seeing the issues several times a month. The ingestion of these magnets can be fatal and surgery is commonly needed to remove the balls . Nor is this limited children, teen and young adults have also swallowed them.

It should also be noted that the other companies that made these products voluntary recalled them.

This is clearly a case of the CPSC doing what it is supposed to do.
How about a regulation - for use only by those aged 40-55.

Don't want young adults or doddering old fools to get access to this dangerous - ball.
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:08 AM
 
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No, it's clearly a case of the CPSC abusing their power. Millions of products are dangerous when ingested. We cannot live in a society without risk.

Here are the facts from Wikipedia;

" The Centers for Disease Control reported 33 cases requiring surgery and one death. The magnets have been swallowed by both toddlers and teens (who were using the magnets to pretend to have tongue piercings). Defenders of the toy say that the rate of injury is approximately 1 injury per 100,000 Buckyball sets and less than 1 injury per 21.5 million individual magnet pieces. The magnets are marketed to adults, with labels warning of their danger to children."

This is clearly an abuse of power. If we banned all products with the same stats as Buckyballs, we would have no swimming pools, no bicycles, no football games and thousands of other products would be banned.
Again those number are out of data, way out of date. The notice was from when the issue was first starting and the number of cases not completely know. That number has ballooned to 1700 cases with more still coming too light. Doctor are reporting seeing many of the cases a month.

This is a toy and kids will play with toys. They can easily swallow these balls and the parent never know it until they take their child to the ER with a life threatening condition.

As for your extremist argument, they are as valid as stating lead should be allowed in crayons because kids should eat them. That type of argument doesn't prove or support anything.

Also - watch out for Wikipedia it is publicly edited. So be sure the check the references used.
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Old 02-25-2014, 12:40 PM
 
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Again those number are out of data, way out of date. The notice was from when the issue was first starting and the number of cases not completely know. That number has ballooned to 1700 cases with more still coming too light. Doctor are reporting seeing many of the cases a month.
from the correction issued by the NY Times:
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Correction: November 2, 2013

An article on Friday about a legal dispute over the Consumer Product Safety Commission’s efforts to recall Buckyballs, tiny magnetic stacking balls, misstated the number of hospital emergency room visits by children who ingested Buckyballs. The commission said it had reports of 1,700 such visits involving children who swallowed all types of high-powered magnets, not Buckyballs alone.
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This is a toy and kids will play with toys. They can easily swallow these balls and the parent never know it until they take their child to the ER with a life threatening condition.
It is a product that is clearly marked as unsuitable for children. Once again, irresponsible parenting leads to government shifting blame in their search to find the deepest pockets.
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Old 02-25-2014, 12:45 PM
 
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No, it's clearly a case of the CPSC abusing their power. Millions of products are dangerous when ingested. We cannot live in a society without risk.

Here are the facts from Wikipedia;

" The Centers for Disease Control reported 33 cases requiring surgery and one death. The magnets have been swallowed by both toddlers and teens (who were using the magnets to pretend to have tongue piercings). Defenders of the toy say that the rate of injury is approximately 1 injury per 100,000 Buckyball sets and less than 1 injury per 21.5 million individual magnet pieces. The magnets are marketed to adults, with labels warning of their danger to children."

This is clearly an abuse of power. If we banned all products with the same stats as Buckyballs, we would have no swimming pools, no bicycles, no football games and thousands of other products would be banned.
Ok yea, clearly 1700 er visits does not create enough incidents to see a pattern, it must be the the evil government coming. Next they will come for your tin foil.
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Old 02-25-2014, 12:54 PM
 
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Your numbers are way wrong, the number of ER visits was 1700 during that time period. A quick Google search will back up that number with many doctors reporting seeing the issues several times a month. The ingestion of these magnets can be fatal and surgery is commonly needed to remove the balls . Nor is this limited children, teen and young adults have also swallowed them.

It should also be noted that the other companies that made these products voluntary recalled them.

This is clearly a case of the CPSC doing what it is supposed to do.
So marbles, dice, nails, nuts bolts and screws, we need to ban these too, because idiot morons might swallow them.
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