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Old 03-06-2014, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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It's Fox News...it can't be trusted.

(FWIW...they've often been biased towards Democrats in their polling.)
It might be trustworthy, but it's still meaningless. Here's why.

One question is "Do you feel the country's better off than it was five years ago." Okay, define "better off". Someone might say no because they think there are too many right wingers walking free, another might say yes for the exact same reason. People might not like Obama because they're unhappy with his policies, others might not like him because they believe garbage spewed by the likes of Ted Nugent and other frequent guests of Fox Republican Propaganda News. Some may not like him because he's not a Republican, others because he caves to right-wingers too often. There's a difference between someone doing a good job and people thinking someone's doing a good job. A poll can be legitimate, and accurate, and still convey no information, because not all opinions are created equal. Any denialist thread (are we up to triple digits this month yet?) illustrates this fact very well.
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Old 03-06-2014, 10:43 AM
 
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Ya well you Lefties blah blah so there...

well' well'' you Rightist did such n such n such with Bush 1n2 so there....

God i wish Americans would just wake up n step out of there box and look at EVERYTHING as a whole and call it as card fall... Nothing will change till we do ....

But our (Bank n wall street owned) government like's the Idiots that pick sides and scratch them selves n argue.. so carry on...
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Old 03-06-2014, 10:46 AM
 
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obama isnt running again. 2014 the gop may win 5-7 senate seats and retain the house.

if clinton runs in 2016 it will be another wave election like 08.

obama will veto anything even if the gop did win the senate, so its inconsequential.
You must have posted in the wrong thread again.
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Old 03-06-2014, 10:49 AM
 
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It's sad and scary that 38% of the American public is so stupid or ignorant as to approve of what this disaster is doing. Amazing.
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Old 03-06-2014, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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It's Fox News...it can't be trusted.

(FWIW...they've often been biased towards Democrats in their polling.)
Fox polls used to be one of the most generous polls for Obama.
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Old 03-06-2014, 10:51 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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clinton is a transformational candidate like obama, and people will vote for her because they want to be apart of a 1st, similar to obama.

she will also get the highest female vote in history which is a majority of the electorate.

i fully expect the gop to do well this year, its an off year election, turnouts always low. dems will not come out like the republicans.

in presidential election years though you'll see the +6 dem turnout like you saw in 08 and 12 with clinton, which means up and down ticket everything democrat.

the gop will need to make huge inroads with the black and hispanic community to have a chance in 16, and they'll probably have to put up a female to counter clinton for the female vote.

the logical choice is condoleeza, but the far right would never go along with that. they want cruz. they get cruz up there, the dems will have 55-58 senators, the house, and the presidency on clintons inaguration day in 17.
People don't vote for congress, they vote for their congress person who polls much higher than congress as a whole.

Hilary has nothing to run on besides her time as Secretary of State when the most notable event of her 4 years was bingazi. She cannot run on Obama's cost tails because no one likes him anymore, and Obamacare will still be a huge issue which will be tied to her as well.

She has an uphill road, people will have seen what voting for a "transformational candidate" has gotten them over the last 8 years.

Though I do agree that condi would be a very good choice, but she said she does not want to run, maybe she will change her mind.

If Cruz is the rep candidate it will not cause the reps to somehow loose 60 seats in the house. The the map of the senate will be more challenging for republicans in 16 than this year but they will probably keep most of the gains from 14 in 16 by count.

Americans do not like the party in power and the party in power is always perceived as the party that controls the presidency. Politics is a pendulum, it is swinging right because the dems have screwed for for awhile now, the republicans will be in charge for a bit until they screw up and it shifts back to dems.

The worst thing that can happen is one party controlling the house, senate and presidency.
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Old 03-06-2014, 10:51 AM
 
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Yep and the dems are even admitting this.....that is why, once again they are delaying ocare....
Hell yes! Obama and the dems know how freaking horrendous this law is, that cannot delay, wave, ignore enough of it, fast enough.

They also know that EVERY senate democrat running for reelection voted to ram the Affordable Health Care Act down our throats, and if they do not hide the truth about it, and delay the major sections of the economy wrecking law, they will get their asses beat in the mid term elections.
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Old 03-06-2014, 11:02 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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It might be trustworthy, but it's still meaningless. Here's why.

One question is "Do you feel the country's better off than it was five years ago." Okay, define "better off". Someone might say no because they think there are too many right wingers walking free, another might say yes for the exact same reason. People might not like Obama because they're unhappy with his policies, others might not like him because they believe garbage spewed by the likes of Ted Nugent and other frequent guests of Fox Republican Propaganda News. Some may not like him because he's not a Republican, others because he caves to right-wingers too often. There's a difference between someone doing a good job and people thinking someone's doing a good job. A poll can be legitimate, and accurate, and still convey no information, because not all opinions are created equal. Any denialist thread (are we up to triple digits this month yet?) illustrates this fact very well.
When most people answer that question they aren't thinking about things like you are giving an example of, they are thinking about the realities of their everyday life. Can they and the people they know pay their bills? Do they and the people they know have jobs that are stable and pay reasonably? Have they and/or the people they know lost their insurance because of a new law or got it finally because of that same law? Can they and the people they know buy all the groceries they need and even go out to eat occasionally or are they having to get food stamps? Has the price of gas risen or decreased? And finally, are they worried about any of those factors going south in the future or do they think things will start getting better?

Most people are less concerned about politics than the everyday working of their own life and the lives of those they personally know. And if they are worried about that, it is what they base their votes on. If they are satisfied, only then do they start looking at politics. Obamacare may have finally shook up a large number of those that were okay with the status quo.
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Old 03-06-2014, 11:16 AM
 
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People don't vote for congress, they vote for their congress person who polls much higher than congress as a whole.

Hilary has nothing to run on besides her time as Secretary of State when the most notable event of her 4 years was bingazi. She cannot run on Obama's cost tails because no one likes him anymore, and Obamacare will still be a huge issue which will be tied to her as well.

She has an uphill road, people will have seen what voting for a "transformational candidate" has gotten them over the last 8 years.

Though I do agree that condi would be a very good choice, but she said she does not want to run, maybe she will change her mind.

If Cruz is the rep candidate it will not cause the reps to somehow loose 60 seats in the house. The the map of the senate will be more challenging for republicans in 16 than this year but they will probably keep most of the gains from 14 in 16 by count.

Americans do not like the party in power and the party in power is always perceived as the party that controls the presidency. Politics is a pendulum, it is swinging right because the dems have screwed for for awhile now, the republicans will be in charge for a bit until they screw up and it shifts back to dems.

The worst thing that can happen is one party controlling the house, senate and presidency.

i would agree with you if this was your run of the mill dem candidate. i would even say that the republican would probably win.

clinton is not your run of the mill candidate, she is a transformational candidate like obama who can change states.

obama turned florida and virginia blue, and kept them blue, and there going to keep getting bluer, especially virginia.

no gop candidate has the ability of obama or clinton to fundamentally change the electoral map outside of maybe christie.
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Old 03-06-2014, 11:29 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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i would agree with you if this was your run of the mill dem candidate. i would even say that the republican would probably win.

clinton is not your run of the mill candidate, she is a transformational candidate like obama who can change states.

obama turned florida and virginia blue, and kept them blue, and there going to keep getting bluer, especially virginia.

no gop candidate has the ability of obama or clinton to fundamentally change the electoral map outside of maybe christie.
She isn't a transformational candidate. Is a wife of a president who did nothing as a senator in a state she never lived in and a sos who's most memorable accomplishment was a failure at binghazi that lead to Americans dying and then her "fainting" to avoid testifying in front of congress.

How many time is she going to fake cry during the election cycle to make people feel sorry for her.
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