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View Poll Results: Are America's best days behind her?
No, America's best days are ahead of her 30 39.47%
Yes, liberals have destroyed her 34 44.74%
Yes, conservatives have destroyed her 12 15.79%
Voters: 76. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-10-2014, 08:14 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Both parties have done lots of damage, but we are resilient. Our best days are still ahead of us.

The cynical and pessimistic whining about liberal or/and conservative boogeymen destroying the U.S. is just lame. If it is so bad, then do something to fix it, instead of moaning on the internet.
Not really possible when an increasing number of people are becoming dependent on government social program benefit freebies paid for by someone else.

Think about that very carefully...

Rome fell for exactly the same reason...

The Fall of Rome and Modern Parallels : Foundation for Economic Education
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Old 03-10-2014, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Not really possible when an increasing number of people are becoming dependent on government social program benefit freebies paid for by someone else.

Think about that very carefully...
And it's increasing because the government is reaching higher income brackets now.
I don't thing there's any program left that goes strictly by FPL.
I think the lowest is now 130% of FPL.

Obamacare goes to 400% which is definitely in what used to be middle class territory.
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Old 03-10-2014, 08:20 AM
 
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Obama is worse than Carter. Along with disastrous policies that negatively impact the economy, health care, and millions of Americans, and his horrendous foreign policy that has the rest of the world just shaking their heads in derision, he's stoked a much more racially divisive environment.

Which disastrous policies?

If I had a nickel for everyone who uttered this bullcrap with no evidence I'd be part of the 1%.

Not a single conservative has been able to list one disastrous policy of the Obama administration hampering the economy. It is just another regurgitated Fox News talking point.
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Old 03-10-2014, 08:23 AM
 
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Which disastrous policies?
Economic, foreign policy, and race.

The U.S. has worsened in all 3 categories during Obama's presidency.

Or do you consider a higher poverty rate and a record high number of people on food stamps a political victory?
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Old 03-10-2014, 08:26 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Unfortunately, far too many are dumb enough to believe that. Too many in the US treat politics as team sport, they must support their team, and hate the other team, no matter how bad things get they will just blame the other side. This is exactly they way it's designed, keep the masses fighting for their "team" instead of actually thinking, and truly informing themselves. They don't seem to realize that politics are not sport, our lives depend on what our representatives do.
Reference the beginning of Chris Matthew's show " Let's PLAY politics"! It's definitely a blood sport here in the good old USA.

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Both parties share the blame for the decline of America. And both conservatives and liberals share blame.

Both liberals and conservatives have supported the surveillance state, the war on drugs, and bailouts for Wall Street. Both liberals and conservatives have been whores for Israel. Both liberals and conservatives are driving America into bankruptcy.
I agree that both parties are to blame - anyone that spend time finger pointing at one party or the other is part of the problem and not the solution.

While our leaders systematically rape the Middle Class - we are busy throwing partisan barbs at each other in an internet chat room and facebooking pictures of a grumpy cat.

WE are to blame as well.
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Old 03-10-2014, 08:26 AM
 
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Economic, foreign policy, and race.
I'll ask again. Which policies? What piece of economic legislation has the Obama adminstration issued to hurt the economy?


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The U.S. has worsened in all 3 categories during Obama's presidency.

Or do you consider a higher poverty rate and a record high number of people on food stamps a political victory?
Let's see.

The economy is recovering.
The United States is no longer at war.
Racial problems that always existed are being displayed because a segment of America can't get over the president not being a White man.


Higher poverty rate and food stamps are results of the recession, not any of Obama's economic policies (which you have again failed to list even one).

Done with talking points or do you have evidence?
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Old 03-10-2014, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I'll ask again. Which policies? What piece of economic legislation has the Obama adminstration issued to hurt the economy?




Let's see.

The economy is recovering.
The United States is no longer at war.
Racial problems that always existed are being displayed because a segment of America can't get over the president not being a White man.


Higher poverty rate and food stamps are results of the recession, not any of Obama's economic policies (which you have again failed to list even one).

Done with talking points or do you have evidence?
You seem to think all this is only within the past 5 years ?
Go back several decades and think how America has changed.

Production ceased being the #1 employer in the US some time ago..way before Obama waltzed into the Oval Office.
Dependence on government programs have only increased since LBJ put his great programs into action.
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Old 03-10-2014, 08:35 AM
 
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You seem to think all this is only within the past 5 years ?
Go back several decades and think how America has changed.

Production ceased being the #1 employer in the US some time ago..way before Obama waltzed into the Oval Office.
Dependence on government programs have only increased since LBJ put his great programs into action.
What are you talking about? If anything you are reinforcing my sentiment that Obama has nothing to do with any of the negatives going on now.

Welfare spending has been increasing since the first Great Depression, but has decreased after its post recession peak under Obama in 2010.



But you know.. don't let the facts hit you on the way out. Fox News talking points are far more catchy!
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Old 03-10-2014, 08:36 AM
 
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I'll ask again. Which policies? What piece of economic legislation has the Obama adminstration issued to hurt the economy?

Let's see.

The economy is recovering.
Um... NO. The Labor Participation Rate continues to drop even further under Obama's Admin.



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The United States is no longer at war.
False.

"American forces are fighting in four countries."
Libya, Yemen and the president's other wars - Chicago Tribune
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Racial problems that always existed are being displayed because a segment of America can't get over the president not being a White man.
No. America elected a Black man. However, Obama's latest initiative bans participation based on strictly racial criteria:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/28/us...-men.html?_r=0
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Done with talking points or do you have evidence?
Evidence posted, above.
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Old 03-10-2014, 08:41 AM
 
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Um... NO. The Labor Participation Rate continues to drop even further under Obama's Admin.
I'll ask you again. Which Obama policy caused the drop in Labor Participation rate?

If it is because President Obama didn't cure the economy with the stroke of a pen or a massive ill advised tax cut, that answer isn't good enough. Name the piece of legislation or executive order responsible for the drop in Labor Participation rate.
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