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Old 03-16-2014, 01:44 PM
 
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I read the interview with the father and was struck by the isolation of the mom--
big mistake--on both their parts--
she wasn't a psychologist--
she needed help herself after being in close quarters with Adam for years--w/o any emotional support from anyone apparently...

the dad can cry now about how he wishes his son wasn't born--
maybe Adam got that vibe a lot earlier in his life...

I agree the mom was a facilitator--never should have shown that boy how to shoot a weapon or had them in the home...
any child who would write a book about killing other children and try to sell it at school--
serious shout-out that "I am psychotic"--
should have been in full time residential treatment as child...
Not because he had Asperger's or was borderline autistic--
that alone doesn't make some dangerous to others or him/herself--
there were other issues going on with that boy...

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Old 03-16-2014, 01:55 PM
 
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The press hasn't asked Ryan a single question since this shooting took place. He hasn't been photographed either, not even at his mother's funeral, where photographers were present.
He has talked to the media and been photographed. He said he was Adam two years previously hence why Adam had the ID. The media never reported if the ID was current or still valid. In other words expired or canceled because Ryan would have reported it as lost.

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Old 03-16-2014, 01:58 PM
 
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Here's another question: Ryan Lanza claimed to have not seen his brother Adam for years before the incident. How, then, did Adam end up carrying Ryan's ID at the time of the shooting? Nobody has ever asked this question to Ryan, and he has never confirmed that he allowed his brother to carry his ID. The DMV doesn't allow you to have two driver's licenses, and didn't Ryan need his own, just for practical purposes, if he lived over 100 miles away?
He has been asked. Ryan had visited Adam two years prior to the shooting. The police found him at his home and talked to him about the ID.

"The answer to the question arising from the initial misidentification of Adam Lanza as his brother Ryan, about how Adam Lanza "could possibly have Ryan's valid ID if he has not seen him in years?" is a simple one, provided by Ryan Lanza himself: "Ryan told police that his brother ... might have had his ID even though they had not seen each other in two years." Ryan had last seen his brother in 2010, and many forms of ID are valid for two years or more. (And nothing says the ID in Adam Lanza's possession had to be "valid": even expired ID found on a person is generally assumed to belong to that person until proved otherwise, unless the ID is immediately ruled out due to an obvious mismatch with the characteristics of a photograph or physical description.)
Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp#oxXR6yCmtgzZpLZh.99"

You can get replacement ID if it is lost or stolen. Guess what he would have gotten a replacement one thinking he just misplaced the ID.
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Old 03-16-2014, 02:05 PM
 
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That also doesn't make sense. Most of the cops on duty that day had never dealt with a homicide before, as Newtown hadn't had one since 2002. How did it take them a mere half hour to prepare to handle the aftermath of a mass shooting?
It's because the claim is created by those who wear tinfoil hats and claim to speak to Xenu.
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Old 03-16-2014, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Superior, Wisconsin
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The ID discrepancy is probably the easiest of all to explain away. However, there are still many other unsolved questions.

How come not one person was injured? In every mass shooting, there are always a number of wounded in addition to the dead. We have heard only one report of a nonfatal injury, and the person who sustained it has never been named. I can't believe not even one person was shot in a nonvital area, like a foot or an arm. Nobody emerged from the building screaming and dripping with blood, as was the case in the James Holmes shooting. Even trained military soldiers aren't able to kill their targets 100% of the time. Adam Lanza did not have the expert military-style training one would need to achieve such precision.
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Old 03-16-2014, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Superior, Wisconsin
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It's because the claim is created by those who wear tinfoil hats and claim to speak to Xenu.
I'll say it again: I'm not saying the shooting was a hoax or fabrication. I just believe there are some aspects to it that aren't adequately accounted for by the media's explanation.

I suggest you propose an answer to all the questions I raised, rather than just saying they are ridiculous.
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Old 03-16-2014, 02:15 PM
 
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He has talked to the media and been photographed. He said he was Adam two years previously hence why Adam had the ID. The media never reported if the ID was current or still valid. In other words expired or canceled because Ryan would have reported it as lost.

The only photograph of him was from the day of the shooting where he was being escorted by the police for questioning. Are there any others? Are you saying that Ryan told the media that he used to be Adam but changed his name to Ryan? Were Ryan's quotes direct quotes given by him to the media or were they relayed to the media from statements he made to the authorities?
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Old 03-16-2014, 02:23 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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I felt exactly the same way, before I read the interview....and I'll admit that when I learned that Mr. Lanza is very wealthy, I assumed that he wanted no part of Adam and the disfunction and was probably just throwing money at the situation.

I do believe that he did all that he knew how to do. Was he supposed to literally break the doors down to see his son?! Mrs. Lanza told him to stay away. We don't know if this was out of anger towards Mr. Lanza or whether she thought seeing his father would cause more chaos for Adam. I suspect the latter.

I'm guessing that Mr. Lanza wasn't making a permenent decision to stay out of Adam's life. Sometimes you have to take things one day at a time and this often means stepping away for a bit....any parent of a teenager or young adult will tell you this.
I do understand this to a certain degree.

However, I can not imagine a situation other than death keeping me from doing everything POSSIBLE to protect my child. It would be irrelevant to me what my ex said I could or could not do. It would be irrelevant to me what anybody else thought I should or should not do. Nothing would matter EXCEPT going to the ends of the Earth to fight for my child's rights.

If nothing else, Mr. Lanza knew that his ex-wife was a gun enthusiast (in and of itself, probably not an issue) and he knew that his son had become increasingly isolated and withdrawn (his own admission). That combination alone should have given him enough "pause" to go to the highest courts in the land to make somebody intervene. He could have requested a Guardian ad litem at any time to assess that situation and report to the judge. So, if Mrs. Lanza wasn't willing to let him near his son, a judge could have forced her to let a trained court representative near him. Adam was pulled out of school so the father had every right to go to the school authorities to ask for their help in getting a court to assess the situation. He could have contacted whichever group is responsible for home school registrations for help in having the homeschool monitored (so another adult is exposed to Adam and can report to a court). He could have basically annoyed the heck out of the police to go to the house every day until somebody recognized a potential problem. I can think of a hundred different ways he could have used his financial resources to get somebody to pay attention. Anybody who is divorced or going through one knows that the other parent is not always cooperative. So what? That's life and being a mature adult means brainstorming to find solutions to those obstacles, especially when it's for the sincere goal of the best interest for the child.

I'm not saying that I have no sympathy or understanding for what Mr. Lanza has gone through, but to give him a "free pass" because his ex-wife said "No" is way too lenient. He not only had the right, but the responsibility to do whatever he could to fight for the right to see his child and get him the help he so clearly needed.
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Old 03-16-2014, 02:29 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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How come not one person was injured?
It says here that two adults were wounded in their lower extremities. A school nurse hid under her desk. I recall reading that a child hid in a broom closet. Two Adult School Shooting Survivors Will Be Key Witnesses
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Old 03-16-2014, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Superior, Wisconsin
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It says here that two adults were wounded in their lower extremities. A school nurse hid under her desk. I recall reading that a child hid in a broom closet. Two Adult School Shooting Survivors Will Be Key Witnesses
They're not named in the article.
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