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Old 03-16-2014, 07:27 PM
 
Location: USA
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Originally Posted by greywar View Post
Obama was right: To boost the economy, spread the wealth

Turns out that high income inequality is massively worse for a country then reasonable wealth redistribution.
How long have I been saying that???


Obama's a bit late. Maybe if he'd taken the risk to step into the business world he would've been able to help the community.
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Old 03-16-2014, 07:29 PM
 
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Originally Posted by surfman
Yet you voted for Obama, right?

The thing about freedom is voting for who is best. Obviously, 2012 was a waste en'masse, and proved Americans are a lost cause.



That's a cop out. You already knew Obama, at the very least, had matched Carter as the worst president in history. So by your reckoning, the first time around you voted for dumb. Then you went back for a second helping. That would be voting for dumber.

Let's be honest here. We both, and anyone else with a brain, knows we are "given" our choices under the guise of voting. The winners are chosen well in advance of a vote. Even if the vote goes the wrong way, we'd never know it. That's simply the way things work in the world of shadow governments, and puppet masters.

Another "be honest" moment would for liberals, and especially progressives, to admit that Obama has not been the antithesis of GW Bush. In fact he has been worse on the debt, worse on the economy, has a horrendous foreign policy, has been Nixonian in his use of power, and codified nearly every thing Bush did.

It's really quite amazing to me how dark skin and that D turns a complete failure into greatness. I guess it makes sense since the hero of the left is a womanizer, cheat, and a liar.
I never voted for Obama. I have no idea how you got the idea that I did by my statement.
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Old 03-16-2014, 07:30 PM
 
Location: South Bay
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You linked to a blog on the Washington Post web-site here....

Obama was right: To boost the economy, spread the wealth

I don't know anything about the Washington Post. I do know about the reports prepared by the Church Committee and the House Select Committee on Assassinations, and a few other congressional commissions or committees, who prove with irrefutable evidence that the CIA was planting "news" in major dailies and other periodicals in the Cold War Era.

The CIA confessed and admitted it....how much more evidence do you want?

I'm not real big on newspapers or the network news (which I haven't seen in 15+ years).

Your blog articles says this....



Oxfam? Are you serious?

Sure, I could be ensnared in the pitfalls of numerous fallacies, but let's be real, Oxfam has a very clear agenda, which they love to rub in your face.

Anyway....clicking on this link.... research ...takes you here...to the IMF web-site.....

Finance & Development, September 2011 - Equality and Efficiency

...where you see this...



I guess the point is that before you make a comment like this....



...you might want to actually read the report, because Arthur Okun's name is in the first freaking sentence of the first paragraph of the report.

Do you need a minute to wipe the egg off your face?




He is relevant, because he's the one who foisted this lie of "Income Inequality."

Why don't we ask Andrew Berg and Jonathan Ostry why Okun is relevant....oh, looky here...in their very own words....



In case you missed it, Berg and Ostry state in their own words that Okun is "influential" which is what makes him relevant.

Do you need a minute to wipe that cheese omelet off your face?



Did it never occur to you that the IMF might have an agenda?

I have repeatedly demanded that "Income Inequality" (snicker) be defined objectively in no uncertain terms, and yet to date, no one has. You could ask Berg and Ostry, but the only thing they'd do is bore you to death with a lot of highfalutin words and then not even define it.

What are you doing about Athletic Inequality?

It's grossly unfair that those people profit off of their talent. Shouldn't we take their salary and wealth accrued from their salary and redistribute it?

Music and Book-Writing Inequality? Shouldn't Stephen King be forced to distribute the money he makes to those who are Writing Challenged?

What about Plumbing Inequality?

It's not fair that people have an innate talent and profit off of it. The wealth of Plumbers should be redistributed.

What about Betty Homemaker?

She has the innate ability to manage finances and establish budgets. Because she does, her children are involved in sports and music and lots of activities, and she and her husband dine out frequently at fine restaurants, and the whole family travels around on long weekends and Summer vacation on holiday.

Why don't you take Betty Homemaker's money and give it to Billy Dopehead?

It's morally wrong and unfair that Billy Dopehead and Cathy Crackuser can't manage their household finances. They can only sell so many Food Stamps for cash to buy beer and dope, and their 13 year old daughter can only turn 8 tricks a night....$80 won't buy a lot of DVDs or heroin.

Some people know how to manage money, some can even manage other people's money, while other still know how to make money, and then a very limited number of people know how to invest.

Investing is an Art, no different than music or sculpting, painting, pottery, cabinet making, writing or anything else.

Taking money from investors to redistribute to the general public who have no clue how to invest, isn't very bright.

Just as a guitar player needs Capital --- a guitar --- to make money, investors need Capital --- cash -- to invest.

If investors don't have money to invest, then how does the economy in a State grow? Where does the need money come from?

Oh.....I get it....the State should borrow money from the IMF to invest.

Do you need a minute to get that chicken off your face?



Property Theories answer the question, "Who should control Capital?"

Capitalism states that individuals should control Capital, because individuals are more responsive or sensitive to the needs of the Market, and to changes in the Market.

Socialism is group control of Capital. Quite often, the group controlling the Capital is a government, or bureaucracy, but it may also include non-governmental organizations and oligarchies.

Unions are Socialist. What Capital does a union control? Labor.

Are unions responsive or sensitive to Market needs, or changes in the Market?

Nope.

Dead people have faster reflexes than unions --- or government.

What is the IMF?

Socialist.


The Free Market and the Command System are the two primary Economic Systems which answer three basic questions:

1] What shall we produce?
2] How shall we produce it?
3] For whom shall we produce?

The Economic System itself is the answer to the questions.

Shall we produce corn? The Market will decide. Who is the Market? All classes of consumers.

For whom shall we produce? The Market will decide. Households are a class of consumers that are part of the Market. Households demand corn in the husk, corn on the cob, frozen corn, canned corn, creamed corn, succotash and popcorn, no?

Ethanol producers demand corn, so do ranches for livestock, wholesalers, retailers, restaurants, all kinds of business and industry, apparently including producers of dog food.

In a Command System, you have a Command Group which may be government, a bureaucracy within government, a non-governmental organization or an oligarchy who decides what is produced, how it is produced and for whom it is produced.

Take the Soviet Union: Shall we produce denim jeans? Command Group says, "Not no, but Hell no."

Additionally, Command Groups often set prices and quotas, like this Command Group did....



Dairy Farmers of America joins $158.6M milk price fixing settlement - Kansas City Business Journal


Are you okay?

I know you're all broke up and just devastated by this.

I'm sure all of the ACA supporters held a candle-light vigil in support of the Dairy Farmers of America who are a Soviet-style Command Group.

ACA supporters ardently believe that price-fixing is good, and it's good for you, and good for America.

There is no denying that, since the American Hospital Association is also a Command Group and engages in price-fixing.

The American Hospital Association fixes prices for medical costs that are double, triple, quadruple and quintuple Free Market rates...and that is good for America.....ACA supporters say so. That money rightly and justly belongs to the executives and administrators of the American Hospital Association, and since Americans will not of their own free will hand over their money to them, then price-fixing to gouge Americans is justified.

Price-fixing medical costs also forces Americans to pay more money for health insurance than they should be paying, and that is good for America, too.

Obama supports price-fixing by the American Hospital Association to price-gouge Americans, and the proof is that Obama has never made any attempt to end price-fixing...in fact, the ACA supports and encourages the practice.

So, what is the IMF?

In addition to being a Socialist group that control Capital --- mainly cash and credit, the IMF is a Soviet-style Command Group that sets interest rates independent of Free Market interest rates.

Additionally, the IMF attaches numerous strings to its loans, dictating political, social and economic policies for States.

What you want.....and what your overly-praised IMF PhD economists want, is to redistribute the wealth of Cameroon, by taking money from investors, so that Cameroon has no Capital to invest to grow its economy.

The IMF wants Cameroon to come on its hands and knees begging the IMF to grant loans with lots of strings attached.

And even that wouldn't be so bad, except that if the people of Cameroon demanded organic produce and meats, there is no Capital to shift to the production of organic produce or meats, and Cameroon would have to beg the IMF, who would refuse to loan money to Cameroon for purposes of engaging in organic agriculture and livestock production for domestic consumption and local, regional or international export.

However, the IMF would gladly loan money to Cameroon to produce GMO Franken-Food and Franken-Meats by Monsanto, Cargil, Con-Agra and others.

I hope you feel better now....

Mircea
Why are you spending so much energy on a lost cause who likes GMOs, loves Obamacare, a seems longing to be under the wing of big brother? You're trying to reason with a parrot, when all you need to do is throw him a cracker.
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Old 03-16-2014, 07:31 PM
 
Location: South Bay
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I never voted for Obama. I have no idea how you got the idea that I did by my statement.
You gave me the impression that you did. OKay, transplant the "you" to "they"
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Old 03-16-2014, 07:32 PM
 
Location: USA
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We need more Wolves on Wall Street. I know where I stand.


I want enough for me and my family. No need to be greedy. Happiness doesn't come from an excess of wealth.
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Old 03-16-2014, 07:36 PM
 
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So just how does one redistribute "wealth" ?
Is the government going to take the car from your driveway and give it to a poor person ?
Are they going to raid your brokerage account and send 1/2 of your stock shares to a poor person ?
Thats just it.. They cant raid wealth, all they can do is encourage competition which erodes away at it..
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Old 03-16-2014, 07:37 PM
 
Location: midwest
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Planned Obsolescence increases GDP also

The Inspired Economist | Discussing the people, ideas, and companies that redefine capitalism and inspire positive change

But then our economists do not compute and report the depreciation of all of the junk.

Economic Wargames: How the economic model is unsustainable and enslaving.

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Old 03-16-2014, 07:45 PM
 
Location: USA
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Some of us have been on this for a looong time.


Thank GOD all of us are not greedy. No. Seriously. Thank God.
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Old 03-17-2014, 01:34 AM
 
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Yes. There is a good greed driving people to have a house with a full garage and there is Enron greed, driving people to cheat, lie and steal other peoples money...



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Some of us have been on this for a looong time.


Thank GOD all of us are not greedy. No. Seriously. Thank God.
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Old 03-17-2014, 04:11 AM
 
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right, i am going to accept what the imf says. sorry but it doesnt wash. the imf is just another progressive spread the wealth type pseudo government that wants to make everyone equally poor.
I am not saying we should, but it makes sense. GDP will grow if you spend the money. Take from those with savings and give to those who don't save and more spending will occur.
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