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Old 03-16-2014, 10:28 AM
 
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You really have no idea what this is all about then do you? Do you have any idea at all why the NSA is doing what they`re doing? Did you hear about the events of 9-11 2001?
The spying pre-dates the patriot act. The patriot act was a whole other level, but did not start this.
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:32 AM
 
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Speaking of Snowden - here's a fascinating must-read on Julian Assange.
He describes the Australian as being "a little put out by the global superstardom" of Edward Snowden following his leaks to Glenn Greenwald and the Guardian. While Snowden was marooned in Moscow airport, writes O'Hagan, "Julian was keen to help him and keen to be seen to be helping him"; shortly afterwards Assange sent Harrison to Moscow where she acted for a time as the American's "legal advisor".

When he asked Assange "just how good" was Snowden, O'Hagan writes, he was told: "He's number nine." "In the world? Among computer hackers? And where are you?" "I'm number three."
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:48 AM
 
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I did. You didn't respond to it.

It's pretty much agreed now that the spying is doing nothing.

Privacy report finds NSA spying illegal | MSNBC

The board presented its conclusions Thursday afternoon. Three members of the five person board agreed that the government should end the program, saying it was not just ineffective but illegal. The other two board members dissented from that conclusion.
I agree that the spying probably is illegal under the Constitution but so are DUI checkpoints. Former Chief Justice Rehnquist admitted as much but said it was a matter of public safety. I don`t care much for what the NSA is doing but I still think Snowden is a POS who deserves life in prison. No, you didn`t tell me what our intelligence agencies should be doing to protect us from crazy people.
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:54 AM
 
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I agree that the spying probably is illegal under the Constitution but so are DUI checkpoints.
I agree. One being wrong doesn't make the other right.

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Former Chief Justice Rehnquist admitted as much but said it was a matter of public safety. I don`t care much for what the NSA is doing but I still think Snowden is a POS who deserves life in prison. No, you didn`t tell me what our intelligence agencies should be doing to protect us from crazy people.
Yes I did. They should be investigating those with at least some sort of probable cause as opposed to millions and millions of people that does nothing.

I'll ask again, why didn't they catch the Tsarnev brothers when so many signs were already there?
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Old 03-16-2014, 11:38 AM
 
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We can glorify a whistle blower that the government would love to kill. In many countries, these ads would not be allowed.

Viva Edward Snowden !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank You, Edward Snowden! - Reason.com
I thought Snowden told us how bad our country is.
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Old 03-16-2014, 11:39 AM
 
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Whilst I think Snowden was justified in pointing out the extent of NSA and GCHQ spying, I think he crossed a line when he started to give detailed technical analysis of such programmes thereby aiding potential adversaries including the Chinese.

Indeed he was quite happy to expose US Intel in China to the South China Morning Post and has been quite happy giving technical details to all and sundry thereby putting western intelligence and indeed in some cases security operatives themselves at risk.

A lot of Snowden's privileged information also made it's way in to the hands of Julian Assange, a man who took the view "so what?" when asked what if US intel assets are killed as a result of his intelligence leaks.

This does not mark him out as some great hero in my books and he merely joins the ranks of Philby, McLean, Burgess, Blunt and numerous other such traitors.

Furthermore the US and UK may play the intelligence game, but at least they are democracies unlike China, with it's terrible human rights record and own history of cyber attacks and spying.

Whilst Russia is hardly whiter than white when it comes to such activities or am I forgetting all the millions of people murdered by the Soviet State and spied on by the KGB, Putin himself being an Ex-KGB officer.

The leaks and subsequent articles will also have made there way to terrorist groups in the middle east and elsewhere who will no doubt analyse all the information supplied in order that they can communicate and carry out acts of terror more effectively without appearing on the radar of intelligence agencies.

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Old 03-16-2014, 11:43 AM
 
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I thought Snowden told us how bad our country is.
No, he told us how out of control the government is.
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Old 03-16-2014, 12:28 PM
 
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No, he told us how out of control the government is.
The same government that allows the Ed Snowden ad to exist.
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Old 03-16-2014, 01:36 PM
 
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The same government that allows the Ed Snowden ad to exist.
As noted, they tried to stop things like that. Luckily the courts stopped it.
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Old 03-16-2014, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Florida
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