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Old 03-21-2014, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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but hey, the entire premise of the ACA was to destroy private health insurance and force everybody
on a single payer once size fits all plan. Please explain how its considered "progressive" or more efficient to let the government take over health care?

Obamacare Architect Emanuel: Most Employers Will Drop Health Coverage
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Old 03-21-2014, 07:20 AM
 
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This was the plan from the beginning and they continually lied about it.
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Old 03-21-2014, 07:30 AM
 
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but hey, the entire premise of the ACA was to destroy private health insurance and force everybody
on a single payer once size fits all plan. Please explain how its considered "progressive" or more efficient to let the government take over health care?

Obamacare Architect Emanuel: Most Employers Will Drop Health Coverage
Even though the health law’s “employer mandate” requires that companies with 50 or more workers pay a penalty of $2,000 per employee if they do not provide health care, many large companies now spend far more than that to offer coverage. As a result, Mr. Emanuel says they will be able to pay the penalty, give workers a raise and shed the burden of providing coverage by sending workers to the public exchanges.

However, we will keep punishing employers with a $2,000 fine for not giving employees insurance, instead of just giving that money to the employees. What a messed up law, and it's no wonder when you look at the architects of it.
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Old 03-21-2014, 09:09 AM
 
Location: west mich
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but hey, the entire premise of the ACA was to destroy private health insurance and force everybody
on a single payer once size fits all plan. Please explain how its considered "progressive" or more efficient to let the government take over health care?

Obamacare Architect Emanuel: Most Employers Will Drop Health Coverage
The ACA providers are all private insurers who previously had death panels, denied coverage, dropped patients after decades of collecting premiums from them, forced the sick and diseased into emergency rooms, and whose only true function is to scrape money off the top for their millionaire CEOs and investors. Doctors had to beg them for permission to treat their patients. Despite what the lying RW media says, the ACA is not a government takeover, but it is a regulation of an industry which needed it.

The "public option" was a separate government-run insurance plan which would provide competition for private insurers - which conservatives and the industry naturally wanted no part of. Funny how they constantly crow about the godsend of "competition". Just one more phony RW posture exposed.


The single-payer system, successful in other civilized nations, has many possible configurations, and was never proposed. The people who have it will not give it up, so naturally you hate such a system.
Well-heeled righties who want to be ripped off can still buy niche, probably unregulated, private policies.

Corporate profits are increased by raising prices and lowering outlay (dropping, denying treatment) as much as possible, so a non-profit system only has to recover operating costs and can also provide preventive care which is cheaper in the long run than the corporate ER system which does not. Also, employer-provided healthcare is at least partly in lieu of wages.
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Old 03-21-2014, 09:12 AM
 
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unregulated
You propose more regulation?
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Old 03-21-2014, 09:15 AM
 
Location: west mich
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This was the plan from the beginning and they continually lied about it.
So you are happy with your previously unregulated corporate system?
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Old 03-21-2014, 09:20 AM
 
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This was the plan from the beginning and they continually lied about it.
Exactly.

The fines to pay for NOT having insurance are cheaper. And if people get sick, they can jump in at any time even though they haven't paid into the risk pool.

Just remember - this will change, because by 2016, it will be cheaper to have insurance, because the fines will increase. The question is how many insurance companies will be left by then? We know Uncle Sam's Insurance Depot will be around - but who else?

This whole plan is about nuking private insurance companies and having government as the only viable health insurance option in 2016 - except for maybe the super elites.
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Old 03-21-2014, 09:20 AM
 
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So you are happy with your previously unregulated corporate system?
How is Obamacare any more regulated?
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Old 03-21-2014, 09:22 AM
 
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You mean they are going to do exactly what we crazy right winger wackos have said was going to happen?

I'm shocked..
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Old 03-21-2014, 09:24 AM
 
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So you are happy with your previously unregulated corporate system?
healthcare costs are HUGE because of the regulations in it. I'm now discussing a backup system for a chiropractors office, and normally it would cost $200, but because of the regulations, its going to cost somewhere in the $2500 neighborhood.
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