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Old 03-24-2014, 07:50 PM
 
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When people have insurance they are more likely to go to the doctors office as opposed to ER which they have been using in the past. Why does this have to be repeated to you? Why are you waving some collage kids homework here as if it was gospel?
Where are the 45 million uninsured at now? It appears five million are and on the other side folks have been kicked out left and right. So the blather that sold the entire bill has not done what they said it would do..........insure the uninsured.........why........because it costs too much. Man you folks are so lost it seems at times.
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Old 03-24-2014, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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When people have insurance they are more likely to go to the doctors office as opposed to ER which they have been using in the past. Why does this have to be repeated to you? Why are you waving some collage kids homework here as if it was gospel?
What are the statistics of Medicaid recipients going to doctors and how many doctors nationwide take Medicaid. That is part of the problem with this. For all intents and purposes, a person on Medicaid may not be able to get anything but goals because of availability.
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Old 03-24-2014, 07:54 PM
 
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Which means the Medicaid expansion is going to greatly increase the cost of healthcare.

Study: Expanding Medicaid doesn’t reduce ER trips. It increases them.


Not sure why we have to keep going over and over this.

New research shows Medicaid increases ER trips. Oregon has a plan to stop that.

That study is not the end of the story. Change takes effort and education, but we all benefit from a healthy population, and people not letting minor conditions turn into major ones.
"Officials out in Oregon don't dispute the results -- but they do argue that the study doesn't offer a great picture of what's happening out there right now. The Science study looks at a 2008 expansion. A lot has changed in the past five years. In fact, over the past two years, Oregon has actually seen a decline in Medicaid emergency department visits this past year -- and attributes that to big changes the state has made to how it delivers care to Medicaid patients."

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Old 03-24-2014, 08:31 PM
 
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When people have insurance they are more likely to go to the doctors office as opposed to ER which they have been using in the past. Why does this have to be repeated to you? Why are you waving some collage kids homework here as if it was gospel?
Except the actual evidence shows the opposite. People on Medicaid pay nothing for their healthcare whether they go to the ER or the doctor, so they have zero incentive to choose the cheaper option. Cold symptoms on the weekend? Why wait until Monday when the ER is free?
Paying for care incentives people to make different choices. That's why private insurers charge you a larger co-pay to go to the ER rather than your doctor.

And a study by Harvard University, hardly some "college kids paper." If it said what you wanted, you would be championing it.

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Medicaid enrollees made, on average, 1.43 trips to the emergency department during the 18-month study period, compared to an average of 1.02 visits among those who entered the Medicaid lottery but did not gain coverage.
Study: Expanding Medicaid doesn’t reduce ER trips. It increases them.
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Old 03-24-2014, 10:15 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Small business is good for the econom[/b]y,.
Why is anything that fails 9 times for each time it works good? What about other corps that absorb the losses? What about their offsetting reductions in spending, which may include cutting personnel? Who would you attribute said cuts to? I'd attribute it to those massive 90% failure rates.

We need MORE barriers to entry, which would allow the 10% to still progress, but dramatically cut some of the often predictable 90% known as losers.
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Old 03-24-2014, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Why is anything that fails 9 times for each time it works good? What about other corps that absorb the losses? What about their offsetting reductions in spending, which may include cutting personnel? Who would you attribute said cuts to? I'd attribute it to those massive 90% failure rates.

We need MORE barriers to entry, which would allow the 10% to still progress, but dramatically cut some of the often predictable 90% known as losers.
So basically we should and I quote the late, great George Carlin when I say this "bend him to the will our corporate masters." Am I getting this right? I would quote more Carlin but there's a lot of swear words.
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Old 03-24-2014, 10:51 PM
 
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So basically we should and I quote the late, great George Carlin when I say this "bend him to the will our corporate masters." Am I getting this right? I would quote more Carlin but there's a lot of swear words.
We should reduce the 90% failure rate. Perhaps in your life that % is the norm, but imagine a baseball manager going 16-146. Would he keep his job? An NBA coach going 8-74? Would he keep his job?

Each had a 90% failure rate.
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Old 03-24-2014, 11:03 PM
 
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YES, then more angry Hipsters can put their worthless Slam-Poetry degrees to good use.
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Old 03-24-2014, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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We should reduce the 90% failure rate. Perhaps in your life that % is the norm, but imagine a baseball manager going 16-146. Would he keep his job? An NBA coach going 8-74? Would he keep his job?

Each had a 90% failure rate.
And how do you do that? Oh yeah bend to the will of our corporate masters and shut down small business creation limiting the innovation that comes with small businesses.
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Old 03-24-2014, 11:13 PM
 
Location: NJ
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And how do you do that? Oh yeah bend to the will of our corporate masters and shut down small business creation limiting the innovation that comes with small businesses.
You do it by massively requiring personal guarantees, requiring skin in the game. That would bend many who start businesses and who fail, at the knees, before they start. They would quit knowing they were no longer playing with someone elses money, but now betting their families financial lives, permanently, on the decision.

In short, we need folks to think, again, again, and again before starting what are primarily a massive chain of unending failures.

It will NOT discourage the Bill Gates, the folks who were destined to be in the 10%.
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