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Old 03-07-2024, 07:36 PM
 
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No single SCOTUS decision has the ability to reduce the size of the regulatory state as the upcoming Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo case. Pay attention!!!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/scotus-ta...110017215.html
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Old 03-07-2024, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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No single SCOTUS decision has the ability to reduce the size of the regulatory state as the upcoming Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo case. Pay attention!!!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/scotus-ta...110017215.html
Well, if we take notice of the recent Supreme Court’s 9-0 Clean Water Act ruling in Sackett v. EPA, we may see the court reasserting itself, no longer satisfied with passively rubber stamping everything set before it
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Old 03-08-2024, 07:40 AM
 
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The regulatory system works for the most part. The government may very well lose Loper but I would not want to see congress involved in the details of regulation.
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Old 03-08-2024, 08:32 AM
 
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The regulatory system works for the most part. The government may very well lose Loper but I would not want to see congress involved in the details of regulation.
The regulatory system is an unmitigated disaster. At this point it exists primarily for the enrichment of the regulatory system. Just look at the specific case before the SCOTUS. Because of some budget cuts, the Fisheries Service wants to put inspectors on various fishing boats and force the fishermen to pay for it. The price is $700/day. And many of these boats make about $500/day in profit. Insanity!!
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Old 03-08-2024, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The regulatory system is an unmitigated disaster. At this point it exists primarily for the enrichment of the regulatory system. Just look at the specific case before the SCOTUS. Because of some budget cuts, the Fisheries Service wants to put inspectors on various fishing boats and force the fishermen to pay for it. The price is $700/day. And many of these boats make about $500/day in profit. Insanity!!
Like I indicated they may be wrong on Loper but overall but overfishing is definitely an issue. We don't need to be loosening regulations on clean water and air, we are already headed in the wrong direction.
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Old 03-08-2024, 10:35 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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The regulatory system is an unmitigated disaster. At this point it exists primarily for the enrichment of the regulatory system. Just look at the specific case before the SCOTUS. Because of some budget cuts, the Fisheries Service wants to put inspectors on various fishing boats and force the fishermen to pay for it. The price is $700/day. And many of these boats make about $500/day in profit. Insanity!!
Suppose somebody in government decides that there are too many instances where people violate the law when they drive their cars. You go 1mph over the speed limit, sometimes for a long time. You roll through a stop sign at 1 mph instead of coming to a complete stop. You change lanes (often on a mostly-empty road) without using your turn signal. Etc. etc.

so the government decides that anybody who drives his car, must have a government inspector (cop or etc.) sitting in his car for the entire trip. And the car owner (or driver, take your choice) is required to pay for the inspector, every time.

How much effect would this law have on your driving habits?

Maybe you would only drive once a week instead of every day? Maybe you would take the bus or train instead of your car, most of the time? (What if there is no bus or train going where you need to go?) Maybe you would stay within walking distance of your home for nearly everything - going to work, shopping, etc.?

Would this driving-inspector law be considered an overly intrusive act by government?

Is the requirement that a fishing-boat owner have an inspector aboard his boat, and pay for him, also be as intrusive?
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Old 03-09-2024, 08:59 AM
 
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Suppose somebody in government decides that there are too many instances where people violate the law when they drive their cars. You go 1mph over the speed limit, sometimes for a long time. You roll through a stop sign at 1 mph instead of coming to a complete stop. You change lanes (often on a mostly-empty road) without using your turn signal. Etc. etc.

so the government decides that anybody who drives his car, must have a government inspector (cop or etc.) sitting in his car for the entire trip. And the car owner (or driver, take your choice) is required to pay for the inspector, every time.

How much effect would this law have on your driving habits?

Maybe you would only drive once a week instead of every day? Maybe you would take the bus or train instead of your car, most of the time? (What if there is no bus or train going where you need to go?) Maybe you would stay within walking distance of your home for nearly everything - going to work, shopping, etc.?

Would this driving-inspector law be considered an overly intrusive act by government?

Is the requirement that a fishing-boat owner have an inspector aboard his boat, and pay for him, also be as intrusive?
Point??
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Old 03-09-2024, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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The regulatory system works for the most part. The government may very well lose Loper but I would not want to see congress involved in the details of regulation.
The regulatory system skirts congress. If you want to ban something like gas stoves or whatever, make a law. No one elected the regulators.
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Old 03-09-2024, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The regulatory system skirts congress. If you want to ban something like gas stoves or whatever, make a law. No one elected the regulators.
Congress delegated its authority to the EPA with the Clean Water Act back in 1972, it delegated similar authority to other agencies. It has worked well for 50 years, if we relied on congress to pass every improvement no matter how small nothing would ever move.

The EPA isn't banning gas stoves but it did pass new efficiency standards for both gas and electric. Some jurisdictions are requiring only electric stoves.
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