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Old 04-03-2014, 09:08 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You keep saying this. What do you have to back it up? Every time the MSM comes up with a story about how the ACA hurt someone it is proven false.
Not at all. Just as one example... remember Obama's promise that everyone can keep their doctor?


"If you like your plan, you can keep your plan." - Barack Obama - YouTube

That turns out to have been a BIG FAT LIE, and millions of Americans were harmed:
Obamacare’s narrow networks are going to make people furious - Washington Post
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Old 04-03-2014, 09:08 AM
 
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Some Republicans are coming to the realization that the law is here to stay. Back on March 6th Republican John Carney sent a letter to Kathleen Sebelius at HHS asking for minor changes to the ACA and Healthcare.Gov to make it easier for people to sign up. 17 other Republicans also signed the the letter including Tea Partiers Michelle Bachmann and Joe "You Lie" Wilson. You have to ask your self why would Joe Wilson and Michelle Bachmann want to make it easier for their constituents to sign up for Obamacare?

http://johncarney.house.gov/images/p...provements.pdf
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Old 04-03-2014, 09:11 AM
 
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So no one has been harmed by ACA and had their policies cancelled, their premiums go up, their deductibles increase, their taxes go up?
Or lost their doctor and/or hospital despite Obama's recorded video proof promises to the contrary.

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That's your position?
That is their position, but we already know they're lying.

WaPo admits it:
Obamacare’s narrow networks are going to make people furious - Washington Post
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Old 04-03-2014, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Florida
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You guys need to contact those people in Facebook and tell them that it makes no sense to like ACA. See, it doesn't' matter why people like it, or if they didn't like it before, but now like it. The bottom line is that GOP need to make some adjustments if they want to win in November. There is still plenty of time. Ignoring the changing tide would be a fatal error.
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Old 04-03-2014, 09:18 AM
 
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You guys need to contact those people in Facebook and tell them that it makes no sense to like ACA. See, it doesn't' matter why people like it, or if they didn't like it before, but now like it. The bottom line is that GOP need to make some adjustments if they want to win in November. There is still plenty of time. Ignoring the changing tide would be a fatal error.
Or we could just do what Harry Reid did and claim everyones a liar...
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Old 04-03-2014, 09:19 AM
 
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You guys need to contact those people in Facebook and tell them that it makes no sense to like ACA.
No point; OFAers are brainwashed.
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Old 04-03-2014, 09:20 AM
 
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You mean the one you JUST quoted and then ignored?
Oh, so now your talking points has become your "list of people who were harmed by the ACA?" That's your proof? Pathetic. But par for the course.

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You have the nerve to run around calliing others a troll.. why dont you answer the question and stop pretending I didnt provide a few ways its damaging..
You go from "I provided a list!!" to "I provided a few ways it's damaging" and then you spout some unproven talking points and claim it's "proof". It's a waste of time talking to you.
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Old 04-03-2014, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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This thread reminds me of that time that Oprah gave her entire audience a brand new car.

Everyone was thinking that she was the greatest thing on earth.

Until, that is, reality came knocking and they realized that their free car was going to cost them a whole hell of a lot of money. Or, you know, they could forfeit the car and get nothing but pay nothing.

Winners of Oprah car give-away must pay up to $7,000 tax - Sep. 22, 2004

I already know that some libs will be completely unable to make the connection, so I'll spell it out for them:

Right now, most people haven't had to use their Ocare. Let's put off the hysterical celebrating until they get hit with the reality of just how much that Ocare is actually going to cost them.
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Old 04-03-2014, 09:32 AM
 
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Oh, so now your talking points has become your "list of people who were harmed by the ACA?" That's your proof? Pathetic. But par for the course.

You go from "I provided a list!!" to "I provided a few ways it's damaging" and then you spout some unproven talking points and claim it's "proof". It's a waste of time talking to you.
Do you think NO ONE was harmed due to higher deductibles?

Why cant you answer the question? Changing the topic and tolling doesnt get us anywhere...
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Old 04-03-2014, 09:39 AM
 
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This thread reminds me of that time that Oprah gave her entire audience a brand new car.

Everyone was thinking that she was the greatest thing on earth.

Until, that is, reality came knocking and they realized that their free car was going to cost them a whole hell of a lot of money. Or, you know, they could forfeit the car and get nothing but pay nothing.

Winners of Oprah car give-away must pay up to $7,000 tax - Sep. 22, 2004

I already know that some libs will be completely unable to make the connection, so I'll spell it out for them:

Right now, most people haven't had to use their Ocare. Let's put off the hysterical celebrating until they get hit with the reality of just how much that Ocare is actually going to cost them.
And that's exactly why Drudge and other 1040-ES filers like him have a strong incentive to opt out of Obamacare, and have therefore begun paying their Obamacare penalty tax NOW, this quarter (and the rest of the 3 quarters for their 2014 tax filings), as required by the IRS. It's frequently cheaper for healthy 1040-ES filers to buy a non-ACA compliant catastrophic policy and pay for needed negligible medical care themselves. Why waste tens of thousands of dollars on Obamacare premiums and deductibles before even being able to access health care benefits when it would be much cheaper to buy a non-compliant catastrophic policy and spend way less than $10K on mundane medical care?

You see, 1040-ES filers run the numbers constantly. They make daily decisions based on those numbers. Obamacare premiums and deductibles are a losing deal for them. They can get the same quality of care for much cheaper if they opt out.
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