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Old 04-26-2014, 01:36 PM
 
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This reminds me of the pharmacy overkill story a few years ago.

People need to understand the law: you have the right to defend yourself; you don't have the right to keep shooting after the threat has passed, otherwise it becomes murder.
I posted an example of where it wasn't not but a few posts back. She was found not guilty even though she shot her boyfriend while he was asleep and again when he was running away.

 
Old 04-27-2014, 02:22 PM
 
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There are no such exceptions in the defense. Their goal is to kill them because they feel it's the only way they can protect themselves.

When Kalispell attorney Steve Nardi began to defend Irene Wyman in her 1984 murder case, it didn't appear he had a winner.

Wyman had shot her live in boyfriend twice.

The first time, he was asleep, and the bullet tore off half the man's jaw.

Still, he was able to call police, and as he was giving them his address, Wyman cut the phone lines to their house.

Then, as he fled to his pickup, she shot and killed him.


Battered women's defense highly effective - Home - Bozeman Daily Chronicle

The claim was: After stopping the would be attackers the person summarily executed them. I don't care if this man was anally raped every night for 10 years. . .once you stop the attack you have no right to execute them as judge/jury/and executioner.

fair point. Juries can be complete and total scumbag crap.

you never know.


Though this is a man, not a woman, so I doubt juries will be similar hoodwinked.


i for one would always find a person guilty if they didn't take reasonable steps to remove themselves from a situation.
 
Old 04-27-2014, 02:55 PM
 
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fair point. Juries can be complete and total scumbag crap.

you never know.


Though this is a man, not a woman, so I doubt juries will be similar hoodwinked.
It will be a far higher bar. Nobody ever actually touched him. All I'm saying is long term abuse can be used as a valid defense.

IMO he will be found innocent for the same reason others have went free recently. An over reach by the prosecution. 1st degree murder is going to be very hard to prove here with the extenuating circumstances.

Two manslaughter charges and argue for the max sentence his useful life would be done outside of prison.
 
Old 04-27-2014, 03:00 PM
 
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It will be a far higher bar. Nobody ever actually touched him. All I'm saying is long term abuse can be used as a valid defense.

IMO he will be found innocent for the same reason others have went free recently. An over reach by the prosecution. 1st degree murder is going to be very hard to prove here with the extenuating circumstances.

Two manslaughter charges and argue for the max sentence his useful life would be done outside of prison.
I think they can prove that the initial shots to the boy were in fact fatal so it would only be one charge of manslaughter.

I think he'll get a psych evaluation and maybe commitment for a while but no jail time. And no guns in his house as a condition of his release.
 
Old 04-27-2014, 03:13 PM
 
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I think they can prove that the initial shots to the boy were in fact fatal so it would only be one charge of manslaughter.

I think he'll get a psych evaluation and maybe commitment for a while but no jail time. And no guns in his house as a condition of his release.
To get that he has to be found guilty. IMO he isn't going to be found guilty of 1st degree murder.

Fair point on the one intruder.
 
Old 04-27-2014, 03:23 PM
 
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To get that he has to be found guilty. IMO he isn't going to be found guilty of 1st degree murder.

Fair point on the one intruder.
He can be convicted of lesser charges and he will be.
 
Old 04-27-2014, 03:44 PM
 
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He can be convicted of lesser charges and he will be.
As far as I knew he has been charged with first degree murder. I've not seen where the jury has choices. Any link?

thanks.
 
Old 04-27-2014, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Houston
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As far as I knew he has been charged with first degree murder. I've not seen where the jury has choices. Any link?

thanks.
It is just an assumption on my part. I have seen few cases where a guilty verdict on a lesser charge was not possible in cases like this. Like you, I do not see a 1st degree conviction. Given his age the prosecution would be nuts to charge him with 1st degree if a conviction on a lesser charge was not possible.
 
Old 04-27-2014, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Salinas, CA
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It will be a far higher bar. Nobody ever actually touched him. All I'm saying is long term abuse can be used as a valid defense.

IMO he will be found innocent for the same reason others have went free recently. An over reach by the prosecution. 1st degree murder is going to be very hard to prove here with the extenuating circumstances.

Two manslaughter charges and argue for the max sentence his useful life would be done outside of prison.
In this case there were two intruders in the home, too. The defense attorney will be repeating that over and over again...both in the testimony phase and the closing arguments. People in small towns despise home invaders with more passion than those in larger cities IMO. For some, it was a major reason they live there and/or moved there. It is not supposed to happen there, but as we all should know can happen anywhere.

If convicted, I'll bet he gets the minimum sentence instead of the maximum.
 
Old 04-27-2014, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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Luckily, this isn't Florida. There is no legal right to casually take a life--followed by the use of a "stand your ground" defense to get off.

Here is a brief overview of Minnesota's self defense statutes:

Reality Check: Explaining Minnesota’s Self-Defense Laws « CBS Minnesota
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