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Originally Posted by Yshudicare
And who usually gets it? The mother. The law is one thing. How it's applied is another. And yes take credit for the good and the bad, but if 80% of the bad is raised by single mothers then that means there is more bad to come from single mothers. And if you choose a loser for a mate who abandons their kids then you yourself are a loser for picking him. Widowers and divorcees don't count since they at least tried to be responsible if a little naive on the divorced mom.
That doesn't tell you anything. You have to look at percentages. It is a per capita type scenario.
You'd also then, in any analysis, statistically control for variables (in order to compare apples to applies), and in this case there would be a lot of them.
And who usually gets it? The mother. The law is one thing. How it's applied is another. And yes take credit for the good and the bad, but if 80% of the bad is raised by single mothers then that means there is more bad to come from single mothers. And if you choose a loser for a mate who abandons their kids then you yourself are a loser for picking him. Widowers and divorcees don't count since they at least tried to be responsible if a little naive on the divorced mom.
The mother doesn't usually get it because of the reasons you seemingly implied that a guy is awarded if he fights hard or the mother is extremely messed up. There doesn't seem to be much disconnect from how the law is applied as it seems most of the time when the mother is awarded it's because more mothers than fathers want/seek custody and the father choose to give her custody (something they do outside of the courts).
So it seems to you that in the single mother scenario the absentee of the father has no to little responsibility or impact on the result of how that child was raised rather that credit is all on the mother. In which case different opinions as to me unless the other parent is dead both have an effect/credit to how the child was raised regardless of if they were present or absentee.
First, you don't know how the pregnancy occurred. So right off the top, you're judging her for getting pregnant. Could be that a condom broke. Careful, your sexism and zlut-shaming are showing.
Second, she didn't have a baby WITH Carl. Carl has shown no inclination to be part of the child's life. The assumption is that she got pregnant BY Carl, but that's as far as it goes, and the author is very careful to illustrate how NOT involved Carl is with anything, not only by Lily's choice, but apparently Carl's, too. Some of you need to understand that there is a difference between impregnating someone and being a father. There is a difference between sperm donors and parents.
Anyway, this article demonstrates something I read about 20 years ago, how boys are falling behind in their education nearly out of the gate. This goes not only for academics, but for life skills. They are not taught how to persevere, nor are they taught to accept when things don't go their way and how to learn from their mistakes and failures. As a result, we have a generation of minimally educated, minimally employable men who live with their parents until they are 30 and escape into video games and booze the minute they get laid off. (And not for nothing, but there is plenty of evidence right here on this forum about how boys have not been taught how to be gracious in defeat and learn from it to improve themselves, simply looking at the number of man-children on here who lash out about women rejecting them.)
The answer is education, from kindergarten through college. Unfortunately, when you have an entire voting bloc of people in flyover country yammering about "intelligent design," blathering incoherently about how Jesus walked among dinosaurs, placing higher importance on owning guns than expanding their minds, concentrating more on what two consenting adults four states over do in the bedroom than on improving their communities, putting sufficient effort into xenophobic rage to perpetuate a bloated war machine in the Pentagon, and supporting idiots like George Bush because "he's one of us, he doesn't read newspapers, either" and Sarah Palin and Mitt Romney because they're physically attractive, you betcha, , that is going to be an uphill battle.
Condoms have an 80 to 99% effectiveness rate. Coupled with the fact that a woman only have a kid a set number of days a month. Let us also not forget the pill, patch, shot and many other forms of birth control available for women and if all else fails get an abortion.
Condoms have an 80 to 99% effectiveness rate. Coupled with the fact that a woman only have a kid a set number of days a month. Let us also not forget the pill, patch, shot and many other forms of birth control available for women and if all else fails get an abortion.
Oh, come on. Absolutely irrelevant to anything in the article, or what I said. Stop trying to fill in blanks with your own bias. The point is we don't know how she got pregnant. Could have been anything. She could have puked up a Pill. You don't know. Sounds like you are more interested in zlut-shaming than any matter of substance that this article illustrates, which only bolsters my case about people being more interested in living in their little, spiteful, agenda-driven bubbles than solving problems.
Condoms have an 80 to 99% effectiveness rate. Coupled with the fact that a woman only have a kid a set number of days a month. Let us also not forget the pill, patch, shot and many other forms of birth control available for women and if all else fails get an abortion.
Yup in 2014 There's too many forms of BC and abortions that readily available. If you don't want a baby you don't have to have one
The mother doesn't usually get it because of the reasons you seemingly implied that a guy is awarded if he fights hard or the mother is extremely messed up. There doesn't seem to be much disconnect from how the law is applied as it seems most of the time when the mother is awarded it's because more mothers than fathers want/seek custody and the father choose to give her custody (something they do outside of the courts).
So it seems to you that in the single mother scenario the absentee of the father has no to little responsibility or impact on the result of how that child was raised rather that credit is all on the mother. In which case different opinions as to me unless the other parent is dead both have an effect/credit to how the child was raised regardless of if they were present or absentee.
The people and media bash fathers so hard that even if mothers are wrong it has to be severe and even then its somehow the guys fault because he somehow made her do it or tricked into doing it. I feel that unless you were married child support should not be awarded. After all you didnt involve the government when you decided to have a kid so dont run to it when you are in trouble.
The people and media bash fathers so hard that even if mothers are wrong it has to be severe and even then its somehow the guys fault because he somehow made her do it or tricked into doing it. I feel that unless you were married child support should not be awarded. After all you didnt involve the government when you decided to have a kid so dont run to it when you are in trouble.
Men's choices end the minute sperm meets egg. Don't like the odds? Don't put your dick in someone.
Oh, come on. Absolutely irrelevant to anything in the article, or what I said. Stop trying to fill in blanks with your own bias. The point is we don't know how she got pregnant. Could have been anything. She could have puked up a Pill. You don't know. Sounds like you are more interested in zlut-shaming than any matter of substance that this article illustrates, which only bolsters my case about people being more interested in living in their little, spiteful, agenda-driven bubbles than solving problems.
Either way its the woman who ultimate bares the burden of birth so yes the woman is responsible for what goes inside her body. Outside of rape it is her fault.
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