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No state allows full siblings to get married. No doubt, some have lied in order to be married. States have laws for half sibs and adopted sibs.
Rhode Island allows Uncles to marry nieces.
The only exception I can think of is one where the 2 people didn't know they were siblings, which would be fine if they were 60. Barring that, this type of relationship would typically only come about through incestual abuse. Most people would be repulsed at the idea of having an intimate relationship with a blood sibling though and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the pheromones subconsciously turned relatives off.
Most people (contrary to what the media says) are repulsed by two dudes going at it in bed......But here we are!
The standard is no longer the standard....so we cant just make up new ways to discriminate against loving couples right??
So we discriminate on age?? They gotta be 60?
The new cable show Game of Thrones is even making this kinda a theme ......pushing yet another sexual envelope.
Not a Red Herring to either........People said the same thing every time people tried to defend traditional marriage by saying "what's to stop polygamy from being lawful?, if we allow same sex?"
And guess what?? Polygamy is now on the table, since gay marriage has been making advances! Poly Amorous people are now fight for their rights too!!
So why not Adult Siblings??
There are no standards for marriage anymore, right?
People always play the red herring card, when they have no answers........
The better question is why shouldn't they be legal? If if the reasons given boil down to nothing better than, "because... Eww!" or "because... God", then maybe we should step back and reevaluate what purpose these laws are serving, and if it is a reasonable imposition on individual liberty...
They don't have to be 60, they just can't be able to have kids - either naturally or through IVF.
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Originally Posted by NoCapo
The better question is why shouldn't they be legal? If if the reasons given boil down to nothing better than, "because... Eww!" or "because... God", then maybe we should step back and reevaluate what purpose these laws are serving, and if it is a reasonable imposition on individual liberty...
Most people (contrary to what the media says) are repulsed by two dudes going at it in bed......But here we are!
Polling data says you're wrong.
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Originally Posted by citizenkane2
The standard is no longer the standard....so we cant just make up new ways to discriminate against loving couples right??
lol
Let's go over some math.
Gays do not = siblings.
Gays do not = multiple marriage partners.
Do you get it now? I'm sure you don't, so I'll help you out a little bit.
In the field of legitimate science (not bible-thumping faux, anti-science) there's nothing wrong with being gay. But there's absolutely something wrong with having sex with one of your siblings. Besides the genetics already mentioned in this thread, the fields of psychology and psychiatry have weighed in on this and it's bad. Two siblings, fully grown, suddenly deciding to have sex with each other pretty much almost never happens. One sibling basically raping another while one or both are underage sadly does happen. Essentially sibling marriage would be providing legal cover to horrific crimes of abuse, which are counter to the interests of the state's (your notion that both are doing this of their free will is a load of horse dung, one of the two has been horribly abused in all likelihood) mission of protecting its people. Because it's reasonable to assume that if two siblings want to get married a crime of sexual abuse has occurred, it is not in the public's best interest to recognize sibling marriage as it provides a legal cover and legitimizes the sexual abuse of children. Unlike gay marriage.
And before you jump to polygamy. Polygamy is rightly illegal because if one person is married to multiple people, one or more of those other marriage partners may be unaware of the other's multiple marriages, making them victims of fraud (bigamy). It does not serve the public interest to provide legal cover to people who wish to perpetrate a fraud on unsuspecting spouses.
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So we discriminate on age?? They gotta be 60?
The new cable show Game of Thrones is even making this kinda a theme ......pushing yet another sexual envelope.
There's nothing like getting your arguments from a work of fantasy fiction.
In the field of legitimate science (not bible-thumping faux, anti-science) there's nothing wrong with being gay. But there's absolutely something wrong with having sex with one of your siblings. Besides the genetics already mentioned in this thread, the fields of psychology and psychiatry have weighed in on this and it's bad. Two siblings, fully grown, suddenly deciding to have sex with each other pretty much almost never happens. One sibling basically raping another while one or both are underage sadly does happen. Essentially sibling marriage would be providing legal cover to horrific crimes of abuse, which are counter to the interests of the state's (your notion that both are doing this of their free will is a load of horse dung, one of the two has been horribly abused in all likelihood) mission of protecting its people. Because it's reasonable to assume that if two siblings want to get married a crime of sexual abuse has occurred, it is not in the public's best interest to recognize sibling marriage as it provides a legal cover and legitimizes the sexual abuse of children. Unlike gay marriage.
Your assumptions about sibling relationships are as blissfully free from evidence as the ones about gays.
It is possible that in a gay marriage (or a straight one!), the relationship started when one party was underage. Do I care about that possibility? No. I wouldn't care even if I knew it to be the case. If the "victims", with the benefit of hindsight and maturity, don't characterize the "abuse" as abusive, it probably wasn't!
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And before you jump to polygamy. Polygamy is rightly illegal because if one person is married to multiple people, one or more of those other marriage partners may be unaware of the other's multiple marriages, making them victims of fraud (bigamy).
It would be easy to solve that problem by requiring all existing spouses to sign the marriage license.
Your assumptions about sibling relationships are as blissfully free from evidence as the ones about gays.
It is possible that in a gay marriage, the relationship started when one party was underage? Do I care about that possibility? No. I wouldn't care even if I knew it to be the case. If the "victims", with the benefit of hindsight and maturity, don't characterize the "abuse" as abusive, it probably wasn't!
What? So do a lot of heterosexual marriages. But two teens who aren't related having consensual sex isn't a horrific act of abuse. Raping your sister is. It's unfortunate you can't see how those might be different.
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It would be easy to solve that problem by requiring all existing spouses to sign the marriage license.
A simple signature would still make for easy fraud.
So if liberal Philomena Batchegaloop marries liberal Cody Batchegaloop, her brother, and they had a baby named Poindexter, he would be Poindexter Batchegaloup-Batchegalop...and they would all live in the parent's basement?
It would be easy to solve that problem by requiring all existing spouses to sign the marriage license.
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A simple signature would still make for easy fraud.
The problem with making polygamy legal is the family court, tax, and legal system. The current system supports a marriage between 2 people, but in order to allow 3 or 4 people to be married you would have to rewrite a plethora of laws.
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