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Old 06-10-2014, 07:27 AM
 
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I haven't, but probably somebody has been hosed by your zoning - someone perhaps who grew up in your township and has been zoned out. Which is precisely what happened in Mount Laurel, and precisely what gave the plaintiffs standing and support in the court of public opinion. So don't be so smug, even your neighbors can sue and sometimes win.
"Hosed".....I don't see how......the laws are not a secret.

 
Old 06-10-2014, 07:40 AM
 
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"Hosed".....I don't see how......the laws are not a secret.

Well in this case the people who were hosed had grown up and lived in the township...it probably did not hurt their case that they were black...the Court found that class warfare does not fly in New Jersey.

Your mileage may vary and does for now.
 
Old 06-10-2014, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Minimum wage should be adjusted for local cost of living factors. $10/hr is a liveable wage in Miami for entry level workers but impossible in San Francisco Pacific Heights section.

My equivalent senior mgmt. position earns nearly twice as much in PH compared to Miami. A minimum wage position should be similar.

The problem then is forming demarcation lines of where to adjust mandated minimum wages up/down due to COL factors.

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Old 06-10-2014, 07:52 AM
 
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Well in this case the people who were hosed had grown up and lived in the township...it probably did not hurt their case that they were black...the Court found that class warfare does not fly in New Jersey.

Your mileage may vary and does for now.
One point you appear to miss.

Not very many people want to live here.

People live near jobs.....shopping.....things we do not have......nor, do we want.
 
Old 06-10-2014, 08:10 AM
 
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One point you appear to miss.

Not very many people want to live here.

People live near jobs.....shopping.....things we do not have......nor, do we want.

??? "We don't have jobs, and we like it that way." ???
 
Old 06-10-2014, 08:20 AM
 
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??? "We don't have jobs, and we like it that way." ???
That is right.

Mostly businesses owners and retired people live here....and people willing to drive a long way to work.....a few week-enders.
 
Old 06-10-2014, 08:22 AM
 
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Minimum wage is a hot topic in Seattle since the $15/hr minimum wage was passed by the city council yesterday. Seattle conservative talk host Ben Shapiro pointed out that the minimum wage is basically a random number. And he's right. I've never seen a minimum wage proponent explain exactly how they arrive at their number. Seattle city councilwoman and minimum wage bandleader Kshama Sawant says that she would really like a minimum wage in the range of $20/hr or more, but believes that $15 is politically attainable.

I've also seen the suggestion that the minimum wage should be a function of the federal poverty line. But if so, shouldn't the minimum wage be different depending on family size? The federal poverty line varies according to family size, but the minimum wage does not. I don't recall ever hearing any minimum wage proponent even thinking to suggest that it should

http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/14poverty.cfm

How is the minimum wage determined? It seems to me that it is by process of magical thinking. Do liberals believe that random numbers and magical thinking are sound policy?
How about letting the employers decide, based upon the job being done, and the skill, training, and circumstances and level of difficulty required to perform the job?

My first summer job as a boy was picking up golf balls at a driving range, it paid $1 for each basket full of golf balls.
 
Old 06-10-2014, 08:26 AM
 
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How about letting the employers decide, based upon the job being done, and the skill, training, and circumstances and level of difficulty required to perform the job?

My first summer job as a boy was picking up golf balls at a driving range, it paid $1 for each basket full of golf balls.
And the employees.....take the job or, not.......stay or, not.

If I like your work.....I will make it worth coming to work.
 
Old 06-10-2014, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Yup, once technology does it better then you ever can for less then the cost of a human beings survival....thats it. done. You are replaced.

And the kind of technology thats being rapidly created will do this in ever increasing numbers. LOL, I kinda hope a Rep president is the next one so that we can be in awe at the ever increasing unemployment. And the massive debate about what to do.
At my grocery store, we can check out scanners to use while shopping that let's us keep track how much we are spending, and once we are done we just stop by a self check out, swipe our card, and then we are done. It is so much nicer than waiting in line, not knowing how much everything costs us, and then having to bag everything at the end.

Sometimes technology eliminates jobs because it is easier and faster.
 
Old 06-10-2014, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Minimum wage should be adjusted for local cost of living factors. $10/hr is a liveable wage in Miami for entry level workers but impossible in San Francisco Pacific Heights section.

My equivalent senior mgmt. position earns nearly twice as much in PH compared to Miami. A minimum wage position should be similar.

The problem then is forming demarcation lines of where to adjust mandated minimum wages up/down due to COL factors.
Is it really? I always imagined Miami being an expensive city to live in.
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