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So if people are dying on the street you would say oh well they should have done better in life they deserve it? Like of not being part of a society and human is that we look out for each other and I know that contradicts some peoples's selfish evil thinking that everyone should look out for themselves but if you want to see where that leads go to the poor areas in third world countries.
In a perfect world "we" all look out for each other. In reality (which is where most of us live, present company excepted, I guess) there are a surplus of others who are not only unwilling to look out for anyone else, but are interested only in having others look out for them.
I am not interested in looking at nor concerning myself with third world countries. I don't live in one... yet, although the Socialists like yourself are trying hard to turn the USA into one.
The solution to eliminating poverty is simple - stop encouraging it through free handouts and entitlements to those who have never contributed squat to society. And discourage through active measures to eliminate their rampant breeding of more leeches.
Raising the minimum wage will accomplish nothing useful. Jobs will be eliminated, prices will rise, or most likely, both. Those at the bottom of the economy will still be at the bottom of the economy, and soon we'll have cries for a $25 minimum wage. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Complete elimination of the minimum wage would make for competition and make workers up their game. A little Darwinism could go a long way. Hang their carcasses for all to see, and the losers may serve as a warning to future generations.
Last edited by Workin_Hard; 12-20-2014 at 11:31 AM..
I was responding to a specific instance, where the employer did charge that amount.
My point is that my employer DOES make $10K from my work but I don't know how I could make that same amount because I cannot afford to open a hamburger stand or a convenience store.
Burger flippers and cashiers generally are similarly situated.
Caveating that I completely agree with you on the principals, however on methods:
Coming from the NYC area and seeing the results of the worst of rent control first hand, it's done far more damage to the city than even a through-the-roof minimum wage like Seattle's would do. Best to let the market work itself out, but if it's a choice between raising the minimum wage and having the lowest-value jobs either get automated or not get done on the one hand and rent controls on the other, letting companies decide which jobs should be done by machines or not at all is a far better option. Rent controls in the long term lead to depressed investment, decaying housing stock, crime and antisocial behavior, and a mini death spiral of decaying public schools and the flight of middle class families who can't afford private education but want better for their kids out of the area.
I think that a lot of what damaged the rental market in the major cities was allowing the owners of apartment buildings to turn their rental units into condominiums. The apartment building owners made huge profits and messed up the rental market for the moderate and low income people. I think those owners more evil than anyone on Wall Street.
My point is that my employer DOES make $10K from my work but I don't know how I could make that same amount because I cannot afford to open a hamburger stand or a convenience store.
Burger flippers and cashiers generally are similarly situated.
You're confusing profit with charging. Making a profit on goods, and hiring someone to service the customer in the process is completely different than charging for a service and paying the employee less than billed.
And the reason you can't make the same amount is because of your constant excuses.
I worked near a convenience store owned by an immigrant that came to this country with NO money. A few years, and may sacrifices later, he bought a store.
In a perfect world "we" all look out for each other. In reality (which is where most of us live, present company excepted, I guess) there are a surplus of others who are not only unwilling to look out for anyone else, but are interested only in having others look out for them.
I am not interested in looking at nor concerning myself with third world countries. I don't live in one... yet, although the Socialists like yourself are trying hard to turn the USA into one.
The solution to eliminating poverty is simple - stop encouraging it through free handouts and entitlements to those who have never contributed squat to society. And discourage through active measures to eliminate their rampant breeding of more leeches.
Raising the minimum wage will accomplish nothing useful. Jobs will be eliminated, prices will rise, or most likely, both. Those at the bottom of the economy will still be at the bottom of the economy, and soon we'll have cries for a $25 minimum wage. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Complete elimination of the minimum wage would make for competition and make workers up their game. A little Darwinism could go a long way. Hang their carcasses for all to see, and the losers may serve as a warning to future generations.
It is not a perfect world it is the world we live in that is why we have programs like unemployment, food stamps because we as a society has decided to help people. You should consider third world countries because if we go to a everyone for themselves like you want that is what we are gonna be. If you raise the min wage to much like to $15 yes those things will happen but I doubt raising it $2-$3 would do that. You do not think that eliminating min wage would not be that employer would just offer as little as they possibly could this is why we even have a min wage because businesses have proven not to responsible when they are left to their own devices.
I think that a lot of what damaged the rental market in the major cities was allowing the owners of apartment buildings to turn their rental units into condominiums. The apartment building owners made huge profits and messed up the rental market for the moderate and low income people. I think those owners more evil than anyone on Wall Street.
That might be the case nationally -- heck, I'm sure you're right that that was a much bigger deal nationally, but in NYC it has largely been a second-fiddle to RC/RS, and where it has happened it's largely been as a way to effectively de-control apartments -- if you rent it out again, it's controlled/stabilized, sell it off to an owner-occupier or to someone who can do an OMI and you've just "created" a tremendous amount of value. Converting market-rate rentals to condos is a lot less attractive.
I think it should be based on what state your in or perhaps the city that you live in. Here in Asheville the LIVING wage is $11.20 I believe. Every city & state is different.
Same reasons child labor and slavery had to be outlawed. Capitalism is great but it has to be regulated to a certain degree. Auto companies used to do the same crap until unions were formed. While I think unions have become tyrannical and caused more harm then good nowadays before their institution car companies were barely paying employees anything. Many factory workers started making the equivalent of $20 an hour afterwards and the auto companies still turned huge profit. Remember that building full of clothes makers that burned down and most died because they would lock them in and not let them leave? There has to be regulation to a certain degree that makes the game safe and fair for everyone. People will inherently try to exploit others for their own personal gain if they can.
I'm all for hard work and the riches capitalism brings with it but some of y'all want anarchy where powerful people with large amounts of money can do whatever the hell they want to those who lack. It's not fair and its not right, and it is certainly a third world country ideology.
Why don't we get rid of the police force and let gangs of criminals control entire cities with threats of violence while we're at it?
sheesh. something like 97% of all jobs pay more than min wage, which exposes you talk of "third world ideology" as the garbage that it is. Wages reflect one's value to the rest of society. To increase your wages, be of greater value.
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