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Reuben Diaz is an idiot. First, they didn't completely stop using stop and frisk.
Also, the you can't use crime stats in the ignorant manner that he is doing.
We have the data that shows in 2012 and 2013 stop and frisks dropped dramatically and yet crime dropped as well.
So any one claiming that stop and frisk is the cause of lower crime would have to explain that reality.
Instead Mr. Diaz is a bigot and a racist who is ignorantly using a slight increase in crime to make a straight up racist appeal that the police should violate peoples' constitutional rights and harass people on the basis of their skin color.
Again how does Mr Diaz explain 2012 and 2013?
In the 15 precincts covering those areas, the number of people stopped dropped from 161,938 in 2011, compared to 121,388 in 2012, according to a Daily News analysis.
“Despite the welcome decline in the overall number of stops, the NYPD last year still subjected hundreds of thousands of innocent people to humiliating, intimidating and unjustified stop-and-frisk encounters,” said Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union.
The NYPD has steadfastly maintained that stops have been instrumental in recovering illegal guns and driving crime down to record levels.
But citywide, the number of “stop, question and frisk” detainments dropped by 22%, from 685,724 in 2011, to 532,911 in 2012, police data shows.
Seeing the greatest reduction in the number of stops in the Bronx was the the 46th Precinct, in University Heights, which recorded a whopping 59% drop, from 13,718 people stopped in 2011 to just 5,628 last year.
The 43rd Precinct, in Soundview, came in second with a 38% drop — 17,281 people stopped in 2011, compared to 10,655 this year.
The 42nd Precinct, in Morrisania, was third, with a 37% dip, from 12,414 people stopped in 2011, compared to 7,761 last year.
The Bronx is blooming. You know how New York City had a record low murder rate last year? So did the Bronx. In fact, today Bronx Borough President Ruben Diaz Jr. proudly pointed out that the borough in 2012 saw just 112 murders, down from 148 in 2011 and the lowest number the borough has seen since 1963! Not bad.
At today's NYPD graduation ceremony, Mayor Bloomberg announced some impressive news: The 2013 murder total, through today, was 332—a 20.7% drop from 2012's total of 419. This is the lowest since the city started keeping track in 1963. Bloomberg bragged, "New York’s crime-fighting strategies have made us America’s safest big city—and one that cities across the globe want to learn from. Twelve years ago, no one thought New York’s crime rate could go any lower. But it did: since 2001, crime has gone down by 32 percent and in a city of 8.4 million people, there have been fewer than 350 homicides."
He credited the police, telling the graduates it was "largely due to the work of the fine men and women you are about to join." And it happened with a huge drop in stop-and-frisk policing! Fancy that.
The NYPD conducted 53 percent fewer street stops—58,088, to be exact— than it did in the same period last year—and yet the murder rate has plummeted from 290 to 213 Huh.
The mayor's office released new data yesterday showing that the city's murder rate declined by 77 murders from this time last year, representing a 26.6 percent decrease. This data will reportedly be used in the city's appeal against Judge Shira Scheindlin's ruling that stop-and-frisk is unconstitutional
Again anybody parroting the racist ignorance of Diaz would have to explain objective reality.
Stop and Frisks declined in 2012 from 2011 yet in 2012, the same racist Mr Diaz was saying 2012 was a record low year for murders in the Bronx. How do you racists who advocate that peoples' constitutional rights be violated on the basis of skin color square with that reality.
So the crime drops in 2012 and 2013 when stop and frisk was declining in use don't count?
What an utterly despicable and racist thread.
The OP of this thread basically says, Hey guys you know what I advocate connecting criminal behavior to racial groups then at the slightest chance using that racist connection to pass policy that violates their constitutional Rights.
It can't get any dumber and blinder then this thread.
The author was so gung-ho to demean and demonized and connect criminal behavior to a race that he couldn't be bothered to check the validated of his argument from last year or the year before even though it was well documented.
2014 the arrest rate for stop and frisk was 19%. That's nearly 1 in 5 of the people they stopped were guilty of something. That's a tad bit more than your 3%. In fact, there wasn't a year of less than 10%. That's pretty damn high to me. Is it worth it, go do some digging and see if there's any evidence of the impact on the violent crime rate.
In terms of it being unconstitutional, the courts didn't squash the policy and they're the ones who decide that statement.
In terms of what Knopp said, it's off-topic and isn't really pertinent to the stop and frisk policies.
4 out of 5 were innocent and had their rights violated.
The Supreme Court just ruled that a police officer can not search your cell phone without probable cause, no way they don't rule the same concerning your person.
The Supreme Court just ruled that a police officer can not search your cell phone without probable cause, no way they don't rule the same concerning your person.
2014 the arrest rate for stop and frisk was 19%. That's nearly 1 in 5 of the people they stopped were guilty of something. That's a tad bit more than your 3%. In fact, there wasn't a year of less than 10%. That's pretty damn high to me. Is it worth it, go do some digging and see if there's any evidence of the impact on the violent crime rate.
In terms of it being unconstitutional, the courts didn't squash the policy and they're the ones who decide that statement.
In terms of what Knopp said, it's off-topic and isn't really pertinent to the stop and frisk policies.
First off Mr Diaz is saying they don't do any stop and frisks which is a lie as you showed.
Secondly, the only legal justification of stop and frisk is to get guns.
Though frisks can be legally conducted only when an officer reasonably suspects the person has a weapon that might endanger officer safety, 55.8 percent of those stopped in 2012 were frisked. Of those frisked, a weapon was found only 2 percent of the time.
By every measure which is the official justification for the policy 99% of the people they stop don't have guns. Thus those searches are bogus
Way to dishonestly cherry pick 2014. In past years the number who were completely innocent was closer to 90%.
And most of the crimes were for petty crimes like weed possession.
No they can't. That would make police all powerful. That's not reality.
Yet as a nation we do unleash the police to use their power in an illegal and abusive manner when targeting black and Latino young men.
They can. If they want to search your car all they need to say is they smell MJ or saw something, if they want to search your person all they have to say is I saw the try and hide something. It will be your word against theirs and you will lose everytime.
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