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Old 08-05-2014, 08:41 PM
 
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That's my point. He's not powerless because of the ability of a President to sign Executive Orders.
That's why he's being sued... there are major restraints on his power. He's abused that power and may be held accountable for it.

He needs Congress. Without it he's a failed leader.
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Old 08-05-2014, 10:23 PM
 
Location: NJ
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That's why he's being sued... there are major restraints on his power. He's abused that power and may be held accountable for it.

He needs Congress. Without it he's a failed leader.
May be also implies may not be. That is a TBD issue. Neither of us know how it will turn out. Until than, the EO's stand as the marching orders of the day. That's called power.
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Old 08-05-2014, 11:45 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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That's my point. He's not powerless because of the ability of a President to sign Executive Orders.
Yes, but EOs are limited in scope. Remember, Congress has the power of the purse - money.

Obama has used executive orders at a frequency that is at par or below average for recent presidents.

And yet, the Republicans in Congress has the nuggets to call him a power hungry dictator, or alternatively, say that he has no power because the GOPers in Congress won't do anything. Gosh, take your pick.
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Old 08-06-2014, 12:44 AM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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It doesn't matter if you are talking about your congressman, your senator, your president, it doesn't matter their political affiliation with a given party either. They are all bought and paid for and will do as they are told. Wake up people, it's later than you think.
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Old 08-06-2014, 09:01 AM
 
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There's also this thing called a Presidential Veto, so unless you control Congress with numbers sufficient to override aveto, Congress is powerless too. A presidency is never inconsequential for that reason.
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Old 08-06-2014, 12:17 PM
 
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Just like the title of the thread implies: Barack Obama's failed Presidency is the perfect illustration of how it really does not matter which party wins the Presidential election. EVERYTHING hinges on Congress, and without a willing Congress, the President might as well not even exist.

Barack Obama is a failed leader. Had he cultivated a real, working relationship with both parties in Congress, he might could have achieved something noteworthy during his Presidency. But, that didn't happen, and it won't happen in the remaining two years, either.

Without Congress, the President is debilitated and virtually worthless. Barack Obama is the perfect example of our Constitutional Democracy in action.

He had everything at his control and abused it. 2010 Mid terms put the brakes on the grab of freedoms & liberties. Now, if we can get 2014 to help reverse all the freedoms and liberties that have been taken and restore the Bill of Rights to mean, what it originally did.
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Old 08-06-2014, 12:19 PM
 
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There's also this thing called a Presidential Veto, so unless you control Congress with numbers sufficient to override aveto, Congress is powerless too. A presidency is never inconsequential for that reason.
The veto, holds the president accountable.
He will not have Harry Reid, screening legislation for him.
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Old 08-06-2014, 12:28 PM
 
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Just like the title of the thread implies: Barack Obama's failed Presidency is the perfect illustration of how it really does not matter which party wins the Presidential election. EVERYTHING hinges on Congress, and without a willing Congress, the President might as well not even exist.

Barack Obama is a failed leader. Had he cultivated a real, working relationship with both parties in Congress, he might could have achieved something noteworthy during his Presidency. But, that didn't happen, and it won't happen in the remaining two years, either.

Without Congress, the President is debilitated and virtually worthless. Barack Obama is the perfect example of our Constitutional Democracy in action.

IRRC Obama did try to work with Congress and the treated him like a dog.


You can b****, moan and groan all you want he is going to be president for quite a while.
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Old 08-06-2014, 02:21 PM
 
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IRRC Obama did try to work with Congress and the treated him like a dog.


You can b****, moan and groan all you want he is going to be president for quite a while.
No he didn't. Good faith efforts don't include "I won" and "My way or the highway."

You've been duped. One day you'll figure it out.
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Old 08-06-2014, 02:25 PM
 
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Just like the title of the thread implies: Barack Obama's failed Presidency is the perfect illustration of how it really does not matter which party wins the Presidential election. EVERYTHING hinges on Congress, and without a willing Congress, the President might as well not even exist.

Barack Obama is a failed leader. Had he cultivated a real, working relationship with both parties in Congress, he might could have achieved something noteworthy during his Presidency. But, that didn't happen, and it won't happen in the remaining two years, either.

Without Congress, the President is debilitated and virtually worthless. Barack Obama is the perfect example of our Constitutional Democracy in action.
Obama's idea of a working relationship is to attack them every chance he can then expect them to work with him.

Obama is like having a boss who is a bully. No one likes him and no want wants to work with him.
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