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Right. so, the homosexual community decided that rather than get laws passed allowing Civil Union Contracts to give them the same rights as legally married couples, they would fight to be allowed to get married.
WHY??
IMO, simply because they did NOT WANT civil unions, they wanted to be MARRIED! They are quite willing and able to take the MARRIAGE issue all the way to the Federal Supreme Court, but they are NOT willing to bother with the Civil Union Contract issue in any way.
They could have easily demanded that the Federal Government recognize Civil Unions, but they made no effort to do so!
You can spin it any way you want, the fact remains that there was never a concerted effort on the part of the homosexual community to get their "rights" in any way except MARRIAGE!
They wanted that title, and they are getting it, with all the legal responsibilities and problems that go with it!
Most people just don't care any more.
It has been legally argued that "civil unions" do not have the status as legal marriage. Civil unions are sort of like a second class marriage.
Would anyone want to be a second class citizen?
In the past African Americans were allow to use a city bus, they were not charged extra, BUT they had to sit in the back. That was an example of inequality.
The "pro 'gay marriage' crowd like to claim that Americans are coming around to accept homosexuality and gay "marriage" in the.......... being between one man and one woman."
Why don't you stop being lazy and go find the polls that have been done on the topic. You can then break it down by demographic and how it is changing over time.
The end result is that in 20 years, nobody will be talking about this stupidity.
Because they *like* the idea of seeing all those people they fumed against in life being horribly punished for eternity.
Unfortunately, an idea doesn't have to have any basis in reality to have power.
Interesting, that is what my older brother actually said, with a look of glee on his face, that at least he does not have to worry about there being jews in heaven for they will be in purgatory. I asked him about Muslims etc and he said they will all go to hades on judgement day and only real honest christians that believe in the real god will go to heaven.
Still this silly marriage rights bull. Ban all marriages as a "legal" term, it is a religious institute anyway. If you or anyone wishes to have some sort of binding agreement with whomever they like there is plenty of contract law to handle it. End of story.
The militancy of the gay movement is part of what's so disquieting and off-putting. We all knew Liberace was homosexual but no one cared because he kept it quiet, and it wasn't in our faces 24/7. He was a beloved entertainer and he kept his private life out of the spotlight.
I especially agree with your last paragraph. I also cannot possibly tell the homosexual population how little I care about what they do with their bodies.
I'm really weary of it all.
All one has to do is replace black with the word gay in what you said and you sound just like the people who were against interracial marriage. And telling us to keep it quiet is the same as saying to go in the closet and hide from society ones true self. Black people would still be waiting for full equality if they had just kept quiet and waited for society to grant it to them. They made noise, lots of noise and it got attention.
Right. so, the homosexual community decided that rather than get laws passed allowing Civil Union Contracts to give them the same rights as legally married couples, they would fight to be allowed to get married.
WHY??
IMO, simply because they did NOT WANT civil unions, they wanted to be MARRIED! They are quite willing and able to take the MARRIAGE issue all the way to the Federal Supreme Court, but they are NOT willing to bother with the Civil Union Contract issue in any way.
They could have easily demanded that the Federal Government recognize Civil Unions, but they made no effort to do so!
You can spin it any way you want, the fact remains that there was never a concerted effort on the part of the homosexual community to get their "rights" in any way except MARRIAGE!
They wanted that title, and they are getting it, with all the legal responsibilities and problems that go with it!
Most people just don't care any more.
Are you kidding? How many times does it have to be said that any union, domestic partnership, civil unions, anything that resembles marriage is banned in those states that passed bans on same sex marriage and the federal government will only recognize their federal civil marriage, none of the others. Why is that so difficult to understand? And why should we not be allowed federal civil marriage? It does not belong to just straight people, it was never infered that it did till bans were passed and DOMA, it also does not belong to the church, any church. So why should we settle for less than marriage, when marriage already conveys all the rights, protections and benefits that we want and need.
Still this silly marriage rights bull. Ban all marriages as a "legal" term, it is a religious institute anyway. If you or anyone wishes to have some sort of binding agreement with whomever they like there is plenty of contract law to handle it. End of story.
No it is not a religious institute. Only a federal marriage is recognized for the rights, benefits and protections. You can have all your church weddings, but none of them are legal with out a federal civil marriage. And you are wrong, there is no contract that can be bought that conveys those 1049 federal rights. END OF STORY.
No it is not a religious institute. Only a federal marriage is recognized for the rights, benefits and protections. You can have all your church weddings, but none of them are legal with out a federal civil marriage. And you are wrong, there is no contract that can be bought that conveys those 1049 federal rights. END OF STORY.
"Marriage" is, er was, a religious institution. I could care less who loves whom. I am against ANY recognition of "marriage" by government whether it is heterosexual, homosexual, or any other arrangement. I don't think traditional marriage should have any "legal" benefits conferred upon it either. It is silly social engineering. If we abolished "marriage" as some sort of special status all together, we needn't argue over this nonsense again and again. It is not a government issue, it is a human one.
In the end most alive today will see the end of marriage as some hallowed institution. No one really wants to be legally shackled to anyone for some amount of time. That's what LLC's are for.
That is a good thing. Marriage is no longer relevant except to the romantic and trite. The very fact that it is being used to gain rightfully entitled benefits to former outcasts formerly exiled by the spiritual and resource needs of terrified societies proves it. Thank you for busting those trite tribal minds.
And that is a good thing.
And certainly there are those who want trannys walking down the street in Riyadh and ephebophiles haunting school grounds in Moscow and expect SSM to further those goals as that should be acceptable in 'free' developed places. That's nice, though respecting differences is something you may want to consider, if you can.
So, other than wanting to get married how many actually want or can enter into some relation that would fulfill in areas of life other than in granted legal terms? Quite few.
"Marriage" is, er was, a religious institution. I could care less who loves whom. I am against ANY recognition of "marriage" by government whether it is heterosexual, homosexual, or any other arrangement. I don't think traditional marriage should have any "legal" benefits conferred upon it either. It is silly social engineering. If we abolished "marriage" as some sort of special status all together, we needn't argue over this nonsense again and again. It is not a government issue, it is a human one.
And are gays not human too? Until all straight marriages are abolished and those rights no longer part of it, then the only way to equal marriage is through allowing consenting gay adults to marry each other. And I see no sign that the government is going to ever get out of marriage, they stand too much to lose.
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And why should we not be allowed federal civil marriage? It does not belong to just straight people, it was never infered that it did till bans were passed and DOMA, it also does not belong to the church, any church. So why should we settle for less than marriage, when marriage already conveys all the rights, protections and benefits that we want and need.